CR 17?

[ChuckSC6568]

So I asked a locl dm about what level and build points we had for a new character and was told CR 17. I'm kind of new in a way, so could anyone...translate that for me?

[Dasrak]

CR is a guideline for determining the difficulty of monsters. The best I can presume is that your GM wants you to create a 17th level character, but that still doesn't answer the question of what point buy. Pester him for more details to narrow down what he's expecting.

[ChuckSC6568]

CR 17. Any race from the Core Rulebook or Advanced Race Guide, any class, Mythic or no.

That was actually his full response. Sorry. Does that make a difference?

[ChuckSC6568]

And I am sure he'd explain further if asked. He's simply used to dealing with more seasoned players I suppose. That and I can't reach him at the moment, so I thought would throw it out here.

[Generic Villain]

ChuckSC6568 wrote:

CR 17. Any race from the Core Rulebook or Advanced Race Guide, any class, Mythic or no.

That was actually his full response. Sorry. Does that make a difference?

That makes a big difference, in that I don't think your GM knows much about the game. There aren't mythic classes - it's not like sorcerer or rogue. And including mythic is definitely not something done lightly. Like, I can't imagine a GM saying "sure, go ahead and throw some mythic tiers on your PC if you want."

[Generic Villain]

I would ask again, very clearly:

What is the level of the character I should design, and how should I determine his/her attributes?

The response should be something like "1st level, 15 point purchase" or "3rd level, for each attribute roll 4D6 and subtract the lowest die."

CR 17 is not an acceptable answer.

[My Self]

CR 17?

You could build something very frightening off of a mid to low CR monster chassis with class levels.

[DM_Blake]

Generic Villain wrote:

ChuckSC6568 wrote:

CR 17. Any race from the Core Rulebook or Advanced Race Guide, any class, Mythic or no.

That was actually his full response. Sorry. Does that make a difference?

That makes a big difference, in that I don't think your GM knows much about the game. There aren't mythic classes - it's not like sorcerer or rogue. And including mythic is definitely not something done lightly. Like, I can't imagine a GM saying "sure, go ahead and throw some mythic tiers on your PC if you want."

Actually, I read that as "mythic or no" being separate from the other stuff. So he said "any class you want and also you can use mythic tiers or not".

Going by CR kinda makes sense. It means you might be able to make a Cloud Giant monk, for example - but that wouldn't be 17 levels of monk. It also means that you can be lower level WITH mythic tiers so that your total CR adds up to 17. So this player could, probably, make a 3rd level Cloud Giant monk with 3 Mythic ranks. I don't know why he would want to, but sounds doable.

At least, that's my guess as to why the GM would use CR instead of level.

[Nigrescence]

Show up as THIS with any one class level of your choice.

CR 16 + 1 class level = 17

Then proceed to have fun.

Seriously though, clearly something was not communicated, or you're in for a weird experience. You should ask for more details, like the starting level, if it is per assumed WBL if higher than level 1 or something else, the number of points in the point buy, or whether attributes are determined otherwise (such as a rolling method or a selection among generally available stat blocks), and how hit points for levels above 1 are determined (whether max, assumed average, or rolled). As well as if you are able to use a monster race as your base and how that would be done if that's acceptable.

Everyone else here is right. Just telling you "CR 17" does not give you anywhere near the information you need, and actually gives potentially misleading information.

Basically, the translation is that the answer you were supplied may as well have been akin to the answer "dog" to the question, "What is 2+2?".

[My Self]

Nigrescence wrote:

Show up as THIS with any one class level of your choice.

CR 16 + 1 class level = 17

Then proceed to have fun.

Unchained Monk or Paladin. You can boost your hit chance into the stratosphere by smiting as a Paladin. Alternatively, you can add your wisdom to AC as a monk, which ends up being amazingly high, especially after you buy Bracers of Armor. You'll want some heavily frontloaded non-caster classes, because casting would be a waste.

[Duiker]

No one else has mentioned it but this was posted in the Beginner Box forum. I assume what's actually meant is a 17 point buy ... but who really knows given the follow up answer about advanced race guide and mythic...

[feytharn]

Duiker wrote:

No one else has mentioned it but this was posted in the Beginner Box forum. I assume what's actually meant is a 17 point buy ... but who really knows given the follow up answer about advanced race guide and mythic...

Maybe he just chose the wrong forum because he thought it was suitable for 'beginner' questions?

[Reckless]

Nigrescence wrote:

Show up as THIS with any one class level of your choice.

CR 16 + 1 class level = 17

Then proceed to have fun.

Nah, if he lets you do Mythic, a 13th level caster with 10 Mythic Tiers is the only way to go :P

[Chemlak]

Drow noble (ARG) Wizard 9 (core) with 25 point buy (core), tier 10 archmage (mythic).

If he insists on tier no greater than half levels, then change the wizard levels to 11 with 5 tiers and crank up to a 30 point buy.

But seriously, telling anyone that they can have mythic without any guidance on tiers is almost a joke, and you seriously need a point buy to work with.

[Entryhazard]

Planetar seriously should take levels of Cleric in order to stack caster level

[ChuckSC6568]

It has been ecleared up! Thanks for the input, folks.

[The Golux]

Out of curiosity what did he actually mean?