Imbicatus |
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Fair enough. That movie has always given me the creeps for some unknown reason. Probably because Pacino is really convincing in his role. So I might be remembering more than the average viewer.
Probably for the way that it completely warps reality the further it goes. It's a fantastic portrayal of temptation into seduction into corruption and the world itself goes with the spiritual slide. From the demonic flashes on the people to the hospitalization and suicide of the wife, to final scene with the shifting walls, it's a slow ride into hell.
It's a great movie, but almost none of what made it great was from Reeves.
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Kilgrave's saves appear to be Cha-based. It can't be Wis or Int, because if one of those were his main stat, he would have made a bee line towards Hulk as soon as he heard of the monster instead of focusing on Jessica Jones and other random humans with no powers.
...or maybe his Int and Wis are sufficiently high enough to know his powers won't work on people with enhanced immune systems or regen?
That kind of completely misses the point of MCU Kilgrave. He doesn't have any grand master plan to take over the world or really draw any attention to himself. He just really wants to continue his luxurious hedonistic lifestyle without drawing attention to himself. Taking control of Hulk is sort of the very opposite thing to do if you havve those motivations.
Running into Jessica Jones was just happenstance, and his fixation with her was solely due to her being the only person he ever lost control of (and to a lesser degree that she happened to be an attractive woman). It has nothing to do with her being super-powered really...
Purple Dragon Knight |
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Fair enough. That movie has always given me the creeps for some unknown reason. Probably because Pacino is really convincing in his role. So I might be remembering more than the average viewer.Probably for the way that it completely warps reality the further it goes. It's a fantastic portrayal of temptation into seduction into corruption and the world itself goes with the spiritual slide. From the demonic flashes on the people to the hospitalization and suicide of the wife, to final scene with the shifting walls, it's a slow ride into hell.
It's a great movie, but almost none of what made it great was from Reeves.
That's a 110% how I felt when I first watched it as a young man from a rural area who was studying in a big city where everyone was cold, calculating and rude. :)
Purple Dragon Knight |
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Kilgrave's saves appear to be Cha-based. It can't be Wis or Int, because if one of those were his main stat, he would have made a bee line towards Hulk as soon as he heard of the monster instead of focusing on Jessica Jones and other random humans with no powers.
...or maybe his Int and Wis are sufficiently high enough to know his powers won't work on people with enhanced immune systems or regen?
That kind of completely misses the point of MCU Kilgrave. He doesn't have any grand master plan to take over the world or really draw any attention to himself. He just really wants to continue his luxurious hedonistic lifestyle without drawing attention to himself. Taking control of Hulk is sort of the very opposite thing to do if you havve those motivations.
To a degree I also concur, but remember that he was "buffing himself" at the end, and planning to step out of the shadows. Even if I grant you that he might have wanted to stay in the shadows, Hulk 2 (Norton) was very much on the run himself (and even Ruffalo Hulk if you remember how Black Widow cornered him in his cabin) so I could see some synergy with Purple Man and Hulk (Purple Pants Team?)
My wish for a future Hulk movie would be a Banner on the run take (for some reason he must leave the Avengers for a while kinda take). Hulk shines best in the desert bouncing around not fighting the Abomination on top of buildings or whapping Ross on University campuses...
Purple Dragon Knight |
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Finished it too.** spoiler omitted **
That's the risk when you use Tennant...
Turin the Mad |
Rynjin wrote:If they do another Hulk movie (which they say is unlikely, for multiple reasons), I REAAAALLY want to see Planet Hulk done right. And then World War Hulk.That's a BIG order man... Dune-like in scope. That would be sweet though...
Whispered rumors suggest that Planet Hulk/World War Hulk is under consideration...
Purple Dragon Knight |
Hama is right. It's my main complaint about how Hulk has been handled. It's a really, really basic Hulk. Avengers 1 and 2 Hulk is the worst yet IMO: he doesn't talk, yet seems to have Ruffalo's consciousness, without the Int. The point of "different Hulk" in the past was to create a Hulk with a separate consciousness from Banner's. If you have the "Ruffalo always angry Hulk", it should be a "Ruffalo always angry intelligent Hulk." Each iteration of the Hulk since its creation has been different and inconsistent. However controlled Hulk should be smart. Uncontrolled Hulk should be stronger. I reject the latest Kluh bullshit.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
Rynjin |
I enjoyed it as well, but it's a good storyline with good movie potential and lead-ins to other interesting Hulk movies and character development.
And if anything post-Planet Hulk were to be done, the existence of the animated film makes no difference. Marvel Studios can't expect people to have seen it, so would need to re-do it anyway.
CBDunkerson |
Hama wrote:Except that Reeves wouldn't be seen dead on a TV show. He's a movie actor. Such "shows" are beneath him. And by him I mean his agents.I would have said the same thing about Kevin Bacon a few years ago, but then he did The Following, and now is going to be in a new Tremors series.
You can probably thank Bernie Madoff for that.
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Dal Selpher |
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Finished this show up yesterday. I was a little bummed by the resolution
being such a big fan of Tennant and his performance
but I thought this was another really excellent show by Marvel. Comparing it to Daredevil, I liked DD a bit more (I thought the cinematography in DD was amazing), but I think that comes down more to simple taste than quality.
I'm now quite eager for DD season 2 and for the Luke Cage series. Super pumped.
John Kretzer |
I think I liked JJ a little bit better than DD. I think mostly is because I am a big DD fan and the minor changes here and there probably stood out to me...while I had no idea about anything when it came to JJ. Also the whole Karen Page/Foggy Nelson investigating stuff....was just not that interesting to me....that and Matt needs to spend more time being a lawyer.
On a unrelated thought
Here is a theory that is probably too awesome to happen....
Hama |
I think I liked JJ a little bit better than DD. I think mostly is because I am a big DD fan and the minor changes here and there probably stood out to me...while I had no idea about anything when it came to JJ. Also the whole Karen Page/Foggy Nelson investigating stuff....was just not that interesting to me....that and Matt needs to spend more time being a lawyer.
On a unrelated thought
Here is a theory that is probably too awesome to happen....
** spoiler omitted **
They'll use Bucky. It was foreshadowed in the end credits of the winter soldier.
baron arem heshvaun |
Kilgrave's saves appear to be Cha-based. It can't be Wis or Int, because if one of those were his main stat, he would have made a bee line towards Hulk as soon as he heard of the monster instead of focusing on Jessica Jones and other random humans with no powers.
I think Kilgrave had much smaller (almost painfully mundane) ambitions.
Personal comfort, a life of luxury, and moral excess for sure, but not building a criminal empire and certainly not world domination.
Almost like Molecule Man from the comic books.
baron arem heshvaun |
MMCJawa wrote:To a degree I also concur, but remember that he was "buffing himself" at the end, and planning to step out of the shadows.That kind of completely misses the point of MCU Kilgrave. He doesn't have any grand master plan to take over the world or really draw any attention to himself. He just really wants to continue his luxurious hedonistic lifestyle without drawing attention to himself. Taking control of Hulk is sort of the very opposite thing to do if you havve those motivations.
He was buffing himself only to get to Jessica Jones, she was his end game, a fact that she uses against him in end.
Kilgrave puts his life in danger, by having his father administer a full (possibly lethal) dose, because he remains a powerful man with the smallest of ambitions.
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Kilgrave puts his life in danger, by having his father administer a full (possibly lethal) dose, because he remains a powerful man with the smallest of ambitions.
That's kind of cool, in that Kilgrave is like Jones and Cage, in that respect. All of them are 'sub optimal' in the exploitation of their abilities potential, either being more or less unwilling heroes, or a kind of half-assed supervillain who'se more interested in getting fed and laid, than in becoming a multi-billionaire and moving into the White House.
Kilgrave has abilities that give him potential that leaves someone like Jeri Hogarth supremely frustrated, because they aren't doing the sort of crazy things *she* would be doing with them.
Of course, having that power available, seems to have robbed him of any real lasting satisfaction from the things he can take, and left him obsessed with the one thing he *can't* just take, love and affection, freely given, from a woman he isn't mind-controlling.
Norman Osborne |
Kilgrave isn't a villain that's all about accumulating power like Kingpin. He's more about fulfilling his immediate primal desires.
If Kingpin is the ego, Kilgrave is the id.
That doesn't make him a better villain than Kingpin, and it doesn't make Kinpin a better villain that Kilgrave. It makes them DIFFERENT villains.
baron arem heshvaun |
left him obsessed with the one thing he *can't* just take, love and affection, freely given, from a woman he isn't mind-controlling.
That's exactly why Jessica Jones becomes his end game, his raison d'etre.
Obsessions, by their nature make otherwise sane people do funny things.
A few years back a friend and I were talking about Bruce Wayne/Batman, and his own obsession.
We reasoned that if a supervillan hired/or was actually a top wunderkid psychiatrist (think Robin Williams in Goodwill Hunting x20) who could "cure" the Dark Knight of his obsession, that would possibly be the end of Bats crime fighting career.
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Finished it, loved it. Great performances, great writing.
Bjørn Røyrvik |
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Rynjin wrote:I didn't even remember he was IN Devil's Advocate. He's that memorable in most of his roles.Now you're exaggerating. If you watched it you had to know he's in it. Or is your problem of displaced memory due to a large block of data displaying Charlize Theron's young body? :)I watched it. I remember seeing it when I was fairly little (10-12 or so, on TV well after it came out).
I remember the devil. I didn't know who Al Pacino was at the time, but I remember really liking that performance. Very charismatic. It's been forever since I've seen it, but I remember him giving that little speech in the bathroom.
I could not tell you a single thing Reeves said or did.
That's a step up from the memorably bad performances he usually gives, which is my point.
Matthew Downie |
It's a risk that the show will lose direction without him - it's a bit like Tim Burton's Batman, or The Dark Knight, where The Joker is basically the central character who drives the plot, and any sequel has a big big hole to fill.
But in one season, Jessica captured Kilgrave and lost him again about three times. I don't want to see the same thing repeating over and over again; diminishing returns.
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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:Kilgrave's saves appear to be Cha-based. It can't be Wis or Int, because if one of those were his main stat, he would have made a bee line towards Hulk as soon as he heard of the monster instead of focusing on Jessica Jones and other random humans with no powers.I think Kilgrave had much smaller (almost painfully mundane) ambitions.
Personal comfort, a life of luxury, and moral excess for sure, but not building a criminal empire and certainly not world domination.
Almost like Molecule Man from the comic books.
I think this is one of the things that makes him such a great villain for a short series.
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First villain in a long time: I'm glad he's dead. I sincerely hope he stays dead.
I've seen him as a crazy wizard in Potter, as silly Dr. Who, and as a brooding cop in a British show called Broadchurch. His villain in JJ Kilgrave is like a combo of all three at times.
But MAN was he sick!
Every single episode, even the Kilgrave light ones, I wanted to take a shower in my brain. I've seen serial killers on TV shows before and yeah, there's a disregard for human life, but it's NEVER been portrayed like this.
Kilgrave just waves a hand, says a few words and BAM! Life either ruined or ended. He never looks back, or considers later or even freaking BLINKS! OH so much creepy!
But EVERYONE in this show is creepy.
- Luke Cage just batting people around with a slap
- Jessica pushing people into walls, through glass windows and breaking open doors
- Nuke dealing with the detective in the aftermath of Kilgrave's escape
Hell even TRISH and her MOM are creepy at times.
I'll reiterate what I mentioned before. DD is about a guy actively trying to become a hero so there's hope in that show. The last long shot of Jessica, debating whether to call herself a hero in the narration while the character is too wigged out to even pick up the phone and realizing she's struggling with just helping people... that is a BLEAK image.
So the first Avengers movie was comic books for grown ups; Marvel: Agents of Shield is similar; Netflix Daredevil is slightly darker.
Jessica Jones takes all of those "adult" steps, unleashes bodily fluids on them, grinds them into the dirt and then waits til they get back up so it can punch them in the FACE!
Everyone reading this thread that hasn't yet should stop everything you're doing and go spend 13 hours straight absorbing this!
Irontruth |
For the David Tennant fans, you should watch Broadchurch, if you haven't already.
Just finished watching Jessica Jones the other day. I liked it better than Daredevil. I thought DD was poorly paced as a series, it could have been half as long and felt more impactful. So many episodes seemed to path where nothing happened than he got a few more bruises.
JJ was better paced, though 10-11-12 felt a little awkward to me at times, but overall was still well done. My biggest complaint is that if this is supposed to be the MCU, why isn't there more referencing of other events? Daredevil is literally taking place in the same neighborhood and involves lawyers, none of the events in DD even show up in the background or are referenced in JJ. If Marvel really wants there to be a point to the MCU, they should reference themselves more, maybe just news reports in the background, or as characters are turning off televisions in scene transitions.
I particularly thought that the action in Jessica Jones was well done. Marvel hasn't been the best about putting together tight action sequences. While the fights themselves weren't amazing, by keeping most of them short and focusing on the story implications of the fight first and foremost, it helped them feel relevant. More directors need to realize that short fights can be good too.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
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Loved this show. Probably my favorite Marvel property yet.
I do wonder if they don't make ear plugs or sniper rifles in the Marvel Universe, though.
If Jessica had ever played D&D, or something similar, she would likely have thought of chucking a manhole cover or cinderblock at his head from a half-block away, even if she couldn't get her hand on a pistol and some earmuffs.
Sadly, she lacked that important formative experience.
Purple Dragon Knight |
She can't punch through steel with her nails, as shown in scenes of bloody nails while digging in dirt (or so I think it's dirt). And her nails can't pierce Luke Cages either. Although she *can* generate harmonic vibrations matching the natural frequency of bedposts. :P
So grabbing manhole covers Hulk like is not in the cards.