Incorporeal questions


Rules Questions


Can a corporeal creature disarm an incorporeal creature? If it has an incorporeal weapon? If it has a Ghost Touch weapon? Can another incorporeal creature disarm an incorporeal creature?

Can incorporeal creatures charge through difficult terrain? Can they charge through allies? Can they charge through solid objects or the floor while they are within 1 square of an open area?

Do incorporeal creatures take full damage from Cure Light Wounds and similar positive energy effects that are not channeling?

Grand Lodge

My Self wrote:
Can a corporeal creature disarm an incorporeal creature?

Not if it is using natural weapons or unarmed attacks.

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If it has an incorporeal weapon?

Only if they have a magical weapon (or something that counts as such) that they are using for the disarm attempt.

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If it has a Ghost Touch weapon?

Yes.

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Can another incorporeal creature disarm an incorporeal creature?

I would think so. ETV.

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Can incorporeal creatures charge through difficult terrain?

If it impedes their movement, no. If it doesn't, yes.

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Can they charge through allies?

Only if they have Dragon Style active.

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Can they charge through solid objects or the floor while they are within 1 square of an open area?

If they cannot see out of it, no. If they can, so it doesn't make them effectively blind, yes.

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Do incorporeal creatures take full damage from Cure Light Wounds and similar positive energy effects that are not channeling?

Not in general, but that is because you are not limiting your question to incorporeal undead, there are other monsters that can be incorporeal that are not undead. Now, incorporeal undead should, but expect table variation, some read it as only from channel energy, others read it as any positive energy effect.


kinevon wrote:


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Do incorporeal creatures take full damage from Cure Light Wounds and similar positive energy effects that are not channeling?
Not in general, but that is because you are not limiting your question to incorporeal undead, there are other monsters that can be incorporeal that are not undead. Now, incorporeal undead should, but expect table variation, some read it as only from channel energy, others read it as any positive energy effect.

Well, healing is like a weird subset of damage, negative damage, if you will. Well, if you're incorporeal and living. Otherwise it just does regular damage. Weird retro-justification of why I said damage, but yeah. A Heal cast on a person using a Shadowform belt does the full heal, yes?

Grand Lodge

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kinevon wrote:


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Do incorporeal creatures take full damage from Cure Light Wounds and similar positive energy effects that are not channeling?
Not in general, but that is because you are not limiting your question to incorporeal undead, there are other monsters that can be incorporeal that are not undead. Now, incorporeal undead should, but expect table variation, some read it as only from channel energy, others read it as any positive energy effect.
Well, healing is like a weird subset of damage, negative damage, if you will. Well, if you're incorporeal and living. Otherwise it just does regular damage. Weird retro-justification of why I said damage, but yeah. A Heal cast on a person using a Shadowform belt does the full heal, yes?

I would believe so, yes.


My understanding is, if it's undead, and the attack lands, points of healing act as points of damage. Heal on the other hand, does points first. If it can't do points, then it cures conditions. Thus a son of Kyuss or Worm Infested Corpse cannot be blinded. That's my GM call. If a GM lets you choose the effect Heal has, then maybe you can blind undead.


Goth Guru wrote:
My understanding is, if it's undead, and the attack lands, points of healing act as points of damage. Heal on the other hand, does points first. If it can't do points, then it cures conditions. Thus a son of Kyuss or Worm Infested Corpse cannot be blinded. That's my GM call. If a GM lets you choose the effect Heal has, then maybe you can blind undead.

I'm pretty sure Heal just does damage to undead, no status condition attach. And it does both healing and condition removal to living people.


My Self wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
My understanding is, if it's undead, and the attack lands, points of healing act as points of damage. Heal on the other hand, does points first. If it can't do points, then it cures conditions. Thus a son of Kyuss or Worm Infested Corpse cannot be blinded. That's my GM call. If a GM lets you choose the effect Heal has, then maybe you can blind undead.
I'm pretty sure Heal just does damage to undead, no status condition attach. And it does both healing and condition removal to living people.

Exactly.


Goth Guru wrote:
My Self wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
My understanding is, if it's undead, and the attack lands, points of healing act as points of damage. Heal on the other hand, does points first. If it can't do points, then it cures conditions. Thus a son of Kyuss or Worm Infested Corpse cannot be blinded. That's my GM call. If a GM lets you choose the effect Heal has, then maybe you can blind undead.
I'm pretty sure Heal just does damage to undead, no status condition attach. And it does both healing and condition removal to living people.
Exactly.

But wait, if you toss around something that does damage and creates a status conditions (dazing spell metamagic?) it has 50% damage, but always lands the status condition?

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