A couple questions on climbing


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When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?

If I also can fly, if I'm on a wall, can I move up the wall with my climb speed, release the wall and attack with a two handed weapon (say I've got quick draw or something fancy so I can get it out as a swift/free after I move but before I attack), at that point can I make an attack and stay there flying or would that be a hover check?

If I've got a mount that can climb, is a military saddle sufficient to keep me seated while it's climbing? Are there rules that say what to happen in this scenario? What if my mount is on the ceiling?


Throw these on the stack of movement rules clarifications needed to deal with 3d space better in Pathfinder.

For claw attacking, I guess we'd need to know if holding on with one hand while attacking with the other counts as using the second hand for purposes of two weapon fighting or for having the hand otherwise occupied. While it seems reasonable to assume that you could switch off like that, I think the hand wavy hand slots rulings would indicate that the hand is occupied during the attack action so two weapon fighting and two claw attacks are off the table.

For jumping off as a flier, I guess you start falling if you aren't flying or climbing anymore and should fall. I would probably use the stalled flier speed of 150 feet

I have no idea how alternate transportation works on unusual mounts. Burrowers/earth gliders and climbers need some clearing up here.

I posted with some similar questions awhile ago.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2swo8?Climbing-and-kicking#1


Climb wrote:
You need both hands free to climb, but you may cling to a wall with one hand while you cast a spell or take some other action that requires only one hand.

You can't TWF full-attack while clinging because you need two free hands to climb. Presumably you could draw one weapon and full attack with that after you finished climbing, but you would need to put it away again before climbing further.

Your second question: you would need to make your hover check at the end of your turn. Fly rules are weird though, and aren't specific enough about what happens when you fail your check if you are flying magically.

Third question, probably not. Gravity still affects you when you're in a saddle.

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el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?
You can't TWF full-attack while clinging because you need two free hands to climb. Presumably you could draw one weapon and full attack with that after you finished climbing, but you would need to put it away again before climbing further.

The climb rules are quite clear that you're allowed to use one hand to hold on to the wall while using the other to perform some action. That's where this question is coming from.


claudekennilol wrote:
el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?
You can't TWF full-attack while clinging because you need two free hands to climb. Presumably you could draw one weapon and full attack with that after you finished climbing, but you would need to put it away again before climbing further.
The climb rules are quite clear that you're allowed to use one hand to hold on to the wall while using the other to perform some action. That's where this question is coming from.

How are you going to hold two weapons when you're using one hand to cling to the wall? Climbing states you need two free hands. Even if you draw your first weapon after you finish climbing, you still can't draw a second weapon to use TWF on a full-attack.

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el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?
You can't TWF full-attack while clinging because you need two free hands to climb. Presumably you could draw one weapon and full attack with that after you finished climbing, but you would need to put it away again before climbing further.
The climb rules are quite clear that you're allowed to use one hand to hold on to the wall while using the other to perform some action. That's where this question is coming from.
How are you going to hold two weapons when you're using one hand to cling to the wall? Climbing states you need two free hands. Even if you draw your first weapon after you finish climbing, you still can't draw a second weapon to use TWF on a full-attack.

Please read my question. I specifically asked about weapons that I don't have to hold, such as "fist" or "claw". (quoted because I specifically called those out along with the phrase "weapons that I don't have to hold")


claudekennilol wrote:
el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
el cuervo wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?
You can't TWF full-attack while clinging because you need two free hands to climb. Presumably you could draw one weapon and full attack with that after you finished climbing, but you would need to put it away again before climbing further.
The climb rules are quite clear that you're allowed to use one hand to hold on to the wall while using the other to perform some action. That's where this question is coming from.
How are you going to hold two weapons when you're using one hand to cling to the wall? Climbing states you need two free hands. Even if you draw your first weapon after you finish climbing, you still can't draw a second weapon to use TWF on a full-attack.
Please read my question. I specifically asked about weapons that I don't have to hold, such as "fist" or "claw". (quoted because I specifically called those out along with the phrase "weapons that I don't have to hold")

Ah, you said fists and I assumed "fists with weapons in them." The bit you added about weapons you don't have to hold was a parenthetical statement. Generally speaking, you shouldn't bury the most important detail of your question in a parenthetical statement.

In either case, the same holds true. You can't full-attack with two hands while clinging, because as ErichAD pointed out, one attack in the round with one hand means that hand is "used" for that round.


As a climber, I assure you that hanging on to a rockface with just your feet is not an option.

Three point contact.

Two handed weapons are out.


Unless you enjoy falling to your death.


alexd1976 wrote:
Unless you enjoy falling to your death.

Or are a vampire.


My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Unless you enjoy falling to your death.
Or are a vampire.

How is that relevant?


alexd1976 wrote:
My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Unless you enjoy falling to your death.
Or are a vampire.
How is that relevant?

Check the vampire template.


My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Unless you enjoy falling to your death.
Or are a vampire.
How is that relevant?
Check the vampire template.

That isn't an answer.

They get spider climb, which requires your hands to be free, what are you seeing that allows them to violate the rules?


alexd1976 wrote:
My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
My Self wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
Unless you enjoy falling to your death.
Or are a vampire.
How is that relevant?
Check the vampire template.

That isn't an answer.

They get spider climb, which requires your hands to be free, what are you seeing that allows them to violate the rules?

It's not a violation to turn into a dire bat or gaseous cloud on the way down?


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claudekennilol wrote:

When making an attack while climbing, I can use one hand while holding on with the other. Can I make a two-weapon full attack with both fists (or claws, or other weapons that I don't have to hold so I can still climb)? As in, hit one with hand, regrab the wall with that hand then hit the other?

If I also can fly, if I'm on a wall, can I move up the wall with my climb speed, release the wall and attack with a two handed weapon (say I've got quick draw or something fancy so I can get it out as a swift/free after I move but before I attack), at that point can I make an attack and stay there flying or would that be a hover check?

If I've got a mount that can climb, is a military saddle sufficient to keep me seated while it's climbing? Are there rules that say what to happen in this scenario? What if my mount is on the ceiling?

a) Expect table variation, but I will not allow it in any game I GM. That is one hand out of action to stop you from falling to your doom.

b)I'd insist on a hover check to avoid falling to your doom.

c) An exotic saddle is what you need to avoid falling to your doom.

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