Skaeren |
I am not sure if this has been covered before or not, but a Duergar Tyrant gets
Does this mean they can use the abilities as a kineticist of their character level, regardless of what class they pick (so they could be rogue and sneak attack with their kinetic blast), or does it mean that they get these abilities in addition to what they normally get when they take kineticist levels?
Also, "Duergar tyrants have all of the racial traits of duergar characters (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 117) except spell-like abilities, in addition to the following.", does this mean that a Duergar Tyrant gets the listed attributes, or both the listed and those published for the original Duergar?
Kalindlara Contributor |
Skaeren |
It seems to me that giving them, effectively, half the abilities of an entire class, but having them scale off character level, is far beyond broken for anything who's advancement is dependant on classes. I mean I would get 'casts as a sorcerer with a level equal to HD' for a monster, but 'has these at will abilities plus all those gained from class levels' is... yea.
Kalindlara Contributor |
It seems to me that giving them, effectively, half the abilities of an entire class, but having them scale off character level, is far beyond broken for anything who's advancement is dependant on classes. I mean I would get 'casts as a sorcerer with a level equal to HD' for a monster, but 'has these at will abilities plus all those gained from class levels' is... yea.
I haven't read the book, but my theory is that - despite presumably being a zero-HD race - they were not meant to serve as PCs under normal circumstances.
They were probably meant to serve as classed enemies - see also, drow nobles.
Skaeren |
I don't know about what it says in the bestiary about drow nobles, but the section following the stat block says
Duergar Tyrant Characters Duergar tyrants are defined by their class levels—they do not have racial Hit Dice. A duergar tyrant’s Challenge Rating is equal to her class level. Duergar tyrants have all of the racial traits of duergar characters (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 117) except spell-like abilities, in addition to the following.
Does this mean they are intended as classed enemies? If so, it stills seems way over the top, as they are effectively getting half the abilities of a class, on top of the rest.
Kalindlara Contributor |
I don't know about what it says in the bestiary about drow nobles, but the section following the stat block says
Duergar Tyrant Characters Duergar tyrants are defined by their class levels—they do not have racial Hit Dice. A duergar tyrant’s Challenge Rating is equal to her class level. Duergar tyrants have all of the racial traits of duergar characters (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 117) except spell-like abilities, in addition to the following.
Does this mean they are intended as classed enemies? If so, it stills seems way over the top, as they are effectively getting half the abilities of a class, on top of the rest.
It definitely does mean that. Note that a classed enemy usually has a CR of Level -1; the text there indicates that theirs is equal to Level, meaning that they're getting a +1 CR adjustment. Drow nobles work the same way.
Enemy power level doesn't always work the same way as PC power level. I'm pretty sure they're fine. ^_^
Kalindlara Contributor |
Oh and the back says "New playable races, including variant duergar and samsarans, as well as munavris— albino humanoid denizens of the Darklands’ Sightless Sea. "
They're playable - in the right campaign.
Drow nobles, trox, svirfneblin, and certain other races are well above the power curve; however, a pro GM could run a campaign for a party of such (adjusting challenges upward to account for their power level).