Unconventional liches


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How about a Spiritualist Lich whose phantom is their phylactery?

I'm not quite sure how that would work to be honest, but not knowing things is what the Occult is all about, right?

Grand Lodge

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Deanthelis wrote:


It makes the Psion Uncarnate look like a chump, though there's really no reason any high-level Psion shouldn't go for this, honestly. There's nothing inherently evil about it whatsoever; Lichdom, without the whole 'inexplicably evil act' and all that.

How do you know? there's nothing mentioned about the process of acquiring the template... Maybe you have to consume the brains of twelve bright aspiring wizards or psions to accomplish it.

And again most ghosts who are essentially the same thing, find their existence horrific. Being in the world, and not able to touch or interact with things is usually a sterile and frustrating existence.


If Tammy's eating the brains of twelve Wizards it's not because she to, it's because she wants to.


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How about this for an unconventional lich: A lich kineticist.

Or- the undead version of a class that uses con as its 'casting' stat, and it relies very heavily on inflicting nonlethal damage on yourself for most of its better abilities. GREAT IDEA

And yes, it looks like you can turn lich with them...maybe with a short dip to cover 'able to cast spells' bit. But the class does make a lot of mention of caster level, since everything it does counts as SLAs.

On the other hand, a kineticist that turns into a Worm that Walks would just be super- +4 to con/dex, it can still take nonlethal damage, and all the other juicy bits.

And a worm that walks works very thematically with kineticist- the class is built around a candle that burns at both ends (almost driving yourself unconscious just to get that extra bit of power) while the the WtW involves getting shanked, left to rot in a field, and then having the power and force of will to tell death that it can kiss your worm ridden rear end. Those two approaches seem like they go together very, very well.

I think I want to see a fight between a wizard lich and a WtW kineticist with earth/water (mud) focus. Careful planning vs. Big blasts with a few extra tricks added in. Maybe make it so that one wants to rule the world and the other wants to destroy it.


So an antipaladin lich as a BBEG? I could roll with that.


I have long wished to confront a group with a Treant druid lich.


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Abrisene wrote:

I have long wished to confront a group with a Treant druid lich.

It's phylactery could be one of its seeds it keeps planted somewhere in the forest. Every time it dies it jut animates a new tree nearby. Only way to find the thing would be to keep killing said Treich until a clearing starts becoming evident. Even then, it could probably just Plant Growth to keep the cover.


"Few creatures are more feared than the lich. The pinnacle of necromantic art, the lich is a spellcaster who has chosen to shed his life as a method to cheat death by becoming undead. While many who reach such heights of power stop at nothing to achieve immortality, the idea of becoming a lich is abhorrent to most creatures. The process involves the extraction of the spellcaster's life-force and its imprisonment in a specially prepared phylactery—the spellcaster gives up life, but in trapping life he also traps his death, and as long as his phylactery remains intact he can continue on in his research and work without fear of the passage of time."

Emphasis mine...

Could that a reason to be an "unconventional" lich, as in "having unconventional reasons to become a lich"?


JiCi wrote:

"Few creatures are more feared than the lich. The pinnacle of necromantic art, the lich is a spellcaster who has chosen to shed his life as a method to cheat death by becoming undead. While many who reach such heights of power stop at nothing to achieve immortality, the idea of becoming a lich is abhorrent to most creatures. The process involves the extraction of the spellcaster's life-force and its imprisonment in a specially prepared phylactery—the spellcaster gives up life, but in trapping life he also traps his death, and as long as his phylactery remains intact he can continue on in his research and work without fear of the passage of time."

Emphasis mine...

Could that a reason to be an "unconventional" lich, as in "having unconventional reasons to become a lich"?

I've seen multiple posters suggest things like a "Frankenstein"-like transformation... a better question for this thread may be: Would such a character best be created using a lich template, or should another one be made for the unwilling/unwitting undead immortal?

Grand Lodge

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haruhiko88 wrote:
So an antipaladin lich as a BBEG? I could roll with that.

Graveknight is where you want to go for a martial.

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