Inspired Rage and replacing bonuses from another source of rage for himself?


Rules Questions


Hey guys, I know the title may be poor worded, so here is the case:

With the classical bloodrager dip to get a rage ability, can the Skald use those bonus instead of the inspired song. My question is about the "if an ally":

Inspired Rage wrote:
Inspired Rage (Su) At 1st level, affected allies gain a +2 morale bonus to Strength and Constitution and a +1 morale bonus on Will saving throws, but also take a –1 penalty to AC. While under the effects of inspired rage, allies other than the skald cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration. At 4th level and every 4 levels thereafter, the song's bonuses on Will saves increase by 1; the penalty to AC doesn't change. At 8th and 16th levels, the song's bonuses to Strength and Constitution increase by 2. (Unlike the barbarian's rage ability, those affected are not fatigued after the song ends.) If an ally has her own rage class ability (such as barbarian's rage, bloodrager's bloodrage, or skald's inspired rage), she may use the Strength, Constitution, and Will saving throw bonuses, as well as AC penalties, based on her own ability and level instead of those from the skald (still suffering no fatigue afterward). However, inspired rage does not allow the ally to activate abilities dependent on other rage class abilities, such as rage powers, blood casting, or bloodrager bloodlines; the ally must activate her own rage class ability in order to use these features.

I saw this in faq which clarifies the "your allies" and not "an ally".

faq wrote:

Ally: Do you count as your own ally?

You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

But in the inspired rage description we can see:

Inspired Rage wrote:
If an ally has her own rage class ability

So does it mean that a bloodrager 1 skald 1, can't replace his own inspired rage bonuses by the bloodragers rage bonuses for himself? But his allies can?

Because if we extend this case to any teamwork feats, if you count for your own ally, you won't need anybody else to get the teamwork feat right?

But there is a part in the faq answer that tells me that it might be possible:

faq wrote:

Ally: Do you count as your own ally?

You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

It's non sense for a teamwork feat to work alone (without any special ability to bypass this), but it makes sense for the skald to activate his own rage ability as can his allies.

What do you think?


No one has an idea?:(


A skald could uses it's bloodrager rage.

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