Is a nerf to archery expected?

[Melkiador]

With all of the errata going around lately, nerfing a great many things, do you think archery will be next? It's certainly a very powerful combat style considered over-powered by many. If so, what form do you think a nerf might take?

In my opinion, the most likely victim is Precise Shot. This one feat gives an effective +4 to hit in most situations. Likely nerfs would be lowering the bonus, so you still take a lesser penalty when firing into melee or perhaps only working on one attack per round.

[Knitifine]

I don't think paizo cares about archers being more powerful than melee fighters.

I think think anyone cares.

Except people who play without full casters and have the luxury to explore the unbalance between martial classes.

[Imbicatus]

If GMs actually bothered to enforce cover rules no one would think archery is overpowered. At least until improved precise shot.

[Chess Pwn]

haha, and if it does get a nerf I'm sure there'll be people going "You should have known it was coming, since it was obviously so cheesy and not intended because it received a nerf. It's your fault for using something that would clearly be changed." ... sigh

[My Self]

Melkiador wrote:

With all of the errata going around lately, nerfing a great many things, do you think archery will be next? It's certainly a very powerful combat style considered over-powered by many. If so, what form do you think a nerf might take?

In my opinion, the most likely victim is Precise Shot. This one feat gives an effective +4 to hit in most situations. Likely nerfs would be lowering the bonus, so you still take a lesser penalty when firing into melee or perhaps only working on one attack per round.

Precise Shot is like Mobility. It's been around a while and it's not going away. 3.5e compatibility issues, probably.

Archery isn't going to get nerfed. Only melee martials will. Haven't you been following what all the nerfs do?

[Theconiel]

The archer's worst nightmare

It is easy to remove archery as a threat.

[Grailknight]

Easiest nerf to archery would be to require Quick Draw/Rapid Reload in order to make extra attacks just like thrown weapons or crossbow.

[Anzyr]

Theconiel wrote:

The archer's worst nightmare

It is easy to remove archery as a threat.

Not anymore:

Cyclonic

[andreww]

Anzyr wrote:

Theconiel wrote:

The archer's worst nightmare

It is easy to remove archery as a threat.

Not anymore:

Cyclonic

Arguably Cyclonic does nothing against Wind Wall or Fickle Winds as your arrow is being deflected by a spell effect not wind. They do allow you to shoot in the middle of a windstorm which is handy.

[barry lyndon]

Imbicatus wrote:

If GMs actually bothered to enforce cover rules no one would think archery is overpowered. At least until improved precise shot.

I do enforce it, but haven't been GM'ing that long. Do most GMs not enforce it? I figured it added to the tactical requirements.

[Turin the Mad]

barry lyndon wrote:

Imbicatus wrote:

If GMs actually bothered to enforce cover rules no one would think archery is overpowered. At least until improved precise shot.

I do enforce it, but haven't been GM'ing that long. Do most GMs not enforce it? I figured it added to the tactical requirements.

Soft cover rules are annoying for my group, so we largely ignore them.

[Snorb]

Personally, I consider soft cover as "anything you can hide half your body behind and MIGHT not stop an arrow or bullet; grants +2 AC." (Hard cover is, of course, "anything you can hide half your body behind and PROBABLY might stop an arrow or bullet; grants +4 AC.")

[Darrell Impey UK]

It's unlike that something from the Core Rulebook will be nerffed (sp?) after all this time.

[Imbicatus]

Darrell Impey UK wrote:

It's unlike that something from the Core Rulebook will be nerffed (sp?) after all this time.

When is the next printing due? Errata happens.

[BobTheCoward]

Turin the Mad wrote:

barry lyndon wrote:

Imbicatus wrote:

If GMs actually bothered to enforce cover rules no one would think archery is overpowered. At least until improved precise shot.

I do enforce it, but haven't been GM'ing that long. Do most GMs not enforce it? I figured it added to the tactical requirements.

Soft cover rules are annoying for my group, so we largely ignore them.

I played a game for a year before anyone realized people were cover. By then rthe Archer had already picked up the feats to bypass it. I think it would have made a big difference.