So someone in our homebrew had their barbarian get killed and wants to replace it with a character built around a knight with an aquatic theme, a knighthood that worships Gozreh. Instead of sword and board, they want a trident and shield or trident and net build that can use heavy armor and has a "Knight of Manaan" theme if you are familiar with Warhammer and the god of the sea that has his own knights in the port city of Marienburg.
Basically a heavy armor martial class that has an aquatic motif and uses a trident for their one hand weapon with a shield or net in the other. I have never seen anyone use a trident in Pathfinder before so I'm at a loss for how to build something that can be viable.
All Paizo books are open, no 3pp. Appreciate any suggested builds for this.
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Half elf oracles (take ancestral arms to give trident proficiency) of wind,waves, nature mystery, half elf shaman of waves. Eldritch knight using still spell, skirnir magus, steelblood bloodragers.
Arcane classes can do knight of gozreh well, since they can blast with the elements, which divine classes have limited spells.
If you're going to be messing around with nets, or if you want to make trident and board work, then you need a few bonus feats. More than a couple. That means fighter (ugh), slayer, ranger, warpriest or nature fang druid. Rangers, slayers and nature fang druids would be using a ranger combat style which works in medium armor max, fighters are boring; sounds like warpriest is the answer.
The plant blessing could substitute for the use of a net, it makes the target entangled with vines (maybe kelp in your case) when used. Water or weather seems most appropriate for the other blessing.
If you go trident+ light shield then basically you're building for two weapon fighting. You need 15+ dexterity, the two weapon fighting feats, then feats like improved shield bash, shield slam, shield master. Note the details of the warpriest bonus feat feature when planning, and the human warpriest favored class bonus.
If you want to use a net then you really want to use a light weapon in your other hand. Maybe a boarding axe or short sword? In any case, EWP (net), TWF feats, net adept, and maybe the feats net and trident (which doesn't require a trident, oddly), net maneuvering, and piranha strike.
Cavalier, Inquisitor, Warpriest, Fighter, and Cleric spring to mind. Warpriest and Inquisitor don't start with heavy armor, but can get it for a feat. Inquisitor and Cleric will get Gozreh's favored weapon and shields. All the rest have shields and all martial weapons. From what I've seen so far, Inquisitor and Cavalier seem the best choices.
What level? Are there any homebrew rules that we should know of?
No homebrew rules except no guns or summoners. All Paizo products are acceptable including advanced races and no third party stuff.
I think the guy would like to have some kind of electricity charge to go with the aquatic knight theme for his weapons or as a spell if possible. It is an interesting character idea but I don't really know how to build a character using a trident and shield or trident and net.
I think the guy would like to have some kind of electricity charge to go with the aquatic knight theme for his weapons or as a spell if possible.
Warpriest with the weather blessing then. They can add 1d4 electricity damage to one weapon using the blessing.
Level?
GM is letting him bring the character at the same level his dead barbarian was which is level 12. Game is intended to be played until level 20.
If you're going to be messing around with nets, or if you want to make trident and board work, then you need a few bonus feats. More than a couple. That means fighter (ugh), slayer, ranger, warpriest or nature fang druid. Rangers, slayers and nature fang druids would be using a ranger combat style which works in medium armor max, fighters are boring; sounds like warpriest is the answer.
The plant blessing could substitute for the use of a net, it makes the target entangled with vines (maybe kelp in your case) when used. Water or weather seems most appropriate for the other blessing.
If you go trident+ light shield then basically you're building for two weapon fighting. You need 15+ dexterity, the two weapon fighting feats, then feats like improved shield bash, shield slam, shield master. Note the details of the warpriest bonus feat feature when planning, and the human warpriest favored class bonus.
If you want to use a net then you really want to use a light weapon in your other hand. Maybe a boarding axe or short sword? In any case, EWP (net), TWF feats, net adept, and maybe the feats net and trident (which doesn't require a trident, oddly), net maneuvering, and piranha strike.
I'm guess this would require him going human for the extra feat? I know he would rather use trident and board as he is modeling this after his Warhammer army that uses knights of their sea god and they run around with tridents and shields.
Not just the 1 extra feat. Human (or half-human) warpriests get an alternate favored class bonus of 1 combat feat per 6 levels. So starting at 12th level he gets feats like this
1: general feat, weapon focus, human feat if applicable
3: general feat, warpriest bonus
5: general feat
6: warpriest bonus, FCB combat feat
7: general feat
9: general feat, warpriest bonus
11: general feat
12: warpriest bonus, FCB combat feat
The warpriest bonus feats (only) are treated as if the warpriest was a fighter of the same level, with fighter BAB as far as the prereqs go.
You might, perhaps take these feats
1: TWF, weapon focus (light shield), power attack
3: shield focus
5: missile shield
6: improved shield bash, step up
7: following step
9: improved TWF, step up and strike
11: quicken blessing
12: shield master, lunge
Remember, you can only start getting racial FCB once you gain the feature. So you couldn't take the human "get 1/6 of a combat feat" until the Warpriest got its first bonus combat feat at 3rd level. Which means you get the FCB feat at 8th level, not 6th.
Gozreh and Knight to me hints the new Order of the Green Cavalier Order from Heroes of the Wild.
Unfortunately, warpriest bonus feats aren't treated as if the warpriest had BAB equal to your warpriest level. It was errattaed out so it made more sense. Now your BAB count as your BAB. Weird, huh? You still get to count your warpriest level as fighter levels for prereqs.
Wrong. Your warpriest level still counts as your BAB for qualifying, the errata just loses the ability to treat your BAB as your level for things like power attack modifiers.
@ Ventnor - it doesn't name the class feature ('Bonus feats' vs '1/6 of a combat feat') so there's no reason to assume so.
I'm glad you mentioned that because I have to ask with all the different archetypes for classes out there....that's not really an archetype that has an aquatic martial themed class with a trident to it? I'm kinda surprised. There's enough coastal cultures to have that kind of theme. I remember the Knights of Abendego in the Inner Sea World Guide but there was no archetype for them.
Just find it a little odd there's nothing out there that really embodies this kind of theme.