Chosen One Paladin and Familiar special abilities


Rules Questions


Chosen One Paladin

Familiars

Improved Familiar

At 7th level does a Chosen Ones familiar still grant it's special ability?
As I see it there are 3 possible answers, each with varying degrees of validity, but I am unsure which is correct.

a) The special ability is tied to the creature. It is the same creature - you don't dismiss it and/or replace it like a normal improved familiar - and the ability doesn't indicate that you lose the special ability.

b) It is now an improved familiar and there are no improved familiars that grant special abilities, so you no longer gain the special ability. At all. Ever.

c) It is tied to the form. So when it is in it's original form you gain the special ability, but when in it's true form you don't.

help!


I'm going with option C.


While the words "improved familiar" occur in the True Form paragraph, it is not a replacement like the feat gives. Nor does it give you that feat. Rather, it is a reveal that shows it was always this, and the paladin did not know. It is in fact, still an emissary familiar that has gained some extras.

"A" is what I would rule.

/cevah


Still relevant to me, any further input from anyone?

much appreciated.


I would say C because you are changing it from an animal to a magical beast or an outsider. If you choose an outsider you're gaining more than you are losing.


I would personally allow A, but I think C is more RAW.


B) makes the most sense to me. But I do not like it.


Change Shape (Su) A creature with this special quality has the ability to assume the appearance of a specific creature or type of creature (usually a humanoid), but retains most of its own physical qualities. A creature cannot change shape to a form more than one size category smaller or larger than its original form. This ability functions as a polymorph spell, the type of which is listed in the creature's description, but the creature does not adjust its ability scores (although it gains any other abilities of the creature it mimics). Unless otherwise stated, it can remain in an alternate form indefinitely. Some creatures, such as lycanthropes, can transform into unique forms with special modifiers and abilities. These creatures do adjust their ability scores, as noted in their description.

I would say it would have to be A. seems pretty cut and dry that it is still the normal familiar just polymorphed into something else and it says it gains the abilities of the creature it turns into, it does not say it loses its own normal abilities.

Liberty's Edge

Assuming that the emissary provided normal familiar benefits at 1st level, I don't see why it would lose them at 7th level... so B is out.

Likewise, I don't see why a raven's speech ability would transfer when it changed shape to a tiny fish (e.g. as can be done by a Cassisian)... so A is out.

C it is.

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