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if you like the debuff route, go Rogue 4
you get the debilitating strike (malus to Hit or AC) , no BAB loss and an additional talent (which can give you a combat feat or weapon focus)
for the early levels, go Crossbow, and take Rogue 1 at level 2.
you could try to fit piranha strike for some more damage
you could also drop Str and Cha to 8, so get some more HP
For the Bodyguard portion, instead of Fighter, you could go Order of the Dragon Cavalier. This would help with your aid another and you challenge gives everyone +1 to hit. Add the Daring Champion archetype to get rid of the mount and shore up some of your defensive issues. Cavalier also gets 4 skill points per level so you could make INT 10 your CHA 13 and you'd only lose 1 skill point per level, but you wouldn't be forced to use those skill points in INT skills.
To solve your early level issues, I would recommend picking up your 3 first levels as a Rogue. It fits well with your background story and grants you a quick hit/dmg bonus with your weapon of choice.
I would delay the pick up of two weapon fighting in favor of another options to acelerate you dirty trick build. Also, I too stronghly recommend the 4th level on Rogue, Debilitating injury is awesome, and makes enemies want to focus on you if they don't want to be exposed to more debuff/damage.
Consider picking up a second archetype for your fighter levels. The best that combine with Lore Warden are Mutation Warrior and Martial Master. Both grant very useful perks at the cost of you weapon training.
If you are not going to be the trap defuser of the group, consider to pick archetypes for your Rogue levels as well, may come in handly.
Finally, you cannot select Pin Down as your 11th level feat as it requires 11 levels of Fighter not character levels.
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I wouldn't recommend giving up Trapfinding for a PFS Rogue. Once you get into higher tiers, being able to disable magical traps becomes more important, and the trap going off can cause secondary success conditions to fail.
Trap removal is one thing you can't usually rely on to be covered by someone else, because in most conditions if a trap goes off it's nothing a charge of a CLW wand won't fix. But when it's more serious than that, you want to be prepared for it.
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Pin down requires 11 fighter levels.
A manuever master / rogue does most of this better. This allows you to have "Quick Dirty Trick" effective @ level 2 (we'll assume rogue level 1). And you won't need to take the combat expertise until 9.
Traits should be Helpful and Bred for War (+1 CMB)
Monk 1: Improved Dirty Trick, Combat Reflexes, Agile Manuevers
Rogue 1: Weapon Finessee
Rogue 2: Two-weapon fighting, Combat Training (Bodyguard)
Rogue 3: Improved Weapon Finesse (now you deal actual damage)
This gives you an extra attack (meaning 3 at level 2, or legally being allowed to "Dirty Trick" twice in 1 turn).
You are also encouraged to up Wis (if you are willing to dump, the character is "strictly better" with a 7 Str AND a 7 Chr, but that's a big IF... I know some people consider it taboo). If you'll do this, that gets you a 19 Dex and 14 in all other stats. Your saves will also be much better thanks to the Monk's +2 to all.
A new feat just came out called Dirty Fighting. You are going to want that instead of combat expertise. It's thr nicest thing martials have gotten in a while. :)
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A new feat just came out called Dirty Fighting. You are going to want that instead of combat expertise. It's thr nicest thing martials have gotten in a while. :)
As a Lore Warden you are stuck with combat expertise as a bonus feat anyway. You should still take Dirty Fighting anyway though. It's seriously good.
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Do you have a link or a description of the feat? Don't see it on the SRD.
It's teased in the blog Click here to see.
I appreciate all the advice - giving me a lot to think about.
Couple of questions:
MM Monk - One of the things in the description that confuses me is this:
At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action. The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry.So, if I'm only taking 1 level of Monk, then is the BAB for the bonus maneuver always stuck at 1? That's one thing that turned me off the monk in the first place. I know the forums suggest a dip in MM Monk for this type of build, but that bit is confusing.
A new feat just came out called Dirty Fighting. You are going to want that instead of combat expertise. It's thr nicest thing martials have gotten in a while. :)Do you have a link or a description of the feat? Don't see it on the SRD.
I keep playing with this build! :-) So fun! Been reading up on Disarm and that seems like a good tactic, too, maybe better (or maybe just different) than Dirty Trick. Thinking about throwing in Spiked Chain and adding the Disarm Feats...something like this:
Fighter 1 Combat Reflexes
Fighter 1 Bodyguard
Fighter 1 Exotic Weapon - Spiked Chain
Rogue 1 Weapon Finesse
Fighter 2 Combat Expertise
Fighter 2 Agile Manuevers
Rogue 2 Rogue Talent - Improved Disarm
Rogue 3 Finesse Training: Spiked Chain
Rogue 3 Weapon Focus - Spiked Chain
Rogue 4 Rogue Talent - Fast Stealth (because Combat Trick only once)
Fighter 3 Greater Disarm Level
Fighter 4 Improved Dirty Trick
Fighter 5 Greater Dirty Trick
Fighter 6 Quick Dirty Trick
Fighter 7 Improved InitiativeI should probably just pick one or the other, or go straight Fighter, but Rogue seems best way to get Damage to
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Your BAB will take a slight drop if you take a Maneuver Master dip, but you are getting the ability to pull an extra Maneuver as part of your full attack, which alone is worth it if you are Maneuver heavy. It also nets you a +2 to all saves, a bonus feat, and a monk's unarmed strike, which let's you threaten adjacent while using a reach weapon.
Also, it let's you perform a dirty trick using any single attack. That eliminates the need for Quick Dirty Trick and let's you do muliple dirty tricks a round, or a dirty trick and attack(s) as soon as the dip happens. You could do that by level 2. :)
I don't recommend disarm, because it has no effect on opponents who don't use manufactured weapons, and even those that do can get around it by just drawing another weapon... Not being familiar with the PFS bestiary, I can't say this for certain, but I bet you would be better served by trip, which might apply to a slightly higher group of enemies and applies a really good debuff. Though frankly Dirty Trick seems plenty versatile on its own.
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Your BAB will take a slight drop if you take a Maneuver Master dip, but you are getting the ability to pull an extra Maneuver as part of your full attack, which alone is worth it if you are Maneuver heavy. It also nets you a +2 to all saves, a bonus feat, and a monk's unarmed strike, which let's you threaten adjacent while using a reach weapon.
Also, it let's you perform a dirty trick using any single attack. That eliminates the need for Quick Dirty Trick and let's you do muliple dirty tricks a round, or a dirty trick and attack(s) as soon as the dip happens. You could do that by level 2. :)
There was errata to maneuver master last night. To use Flurry of Maneuvers, you cannot be wearing armor. This reduces the benefit of most dips.
There was errata to maneuver master last night. To use Flurry of Maneuvers, you cannot be wearing armor. This reduces the benefit of most dips.Your BAB will take a slight drop if you take a Maneuver Master dip, but you are getting the ability to pull an extra Maneuver as part of your full attack, which alone is worth it if you are Maneuver heavy. It also nets you a +2 to all saves, a bonus feat, and a monk's unarmed strike, which let's you threaten adjacent while using a reach weapon.
Also, it let's you perform a dirty trick using any single attack. That eliminates the need for Quick Dirty Trick and let's you do muliple dirty tricks a round, or a dirty trick and attack(s) as soon as the dip happens. You could do that by level 2. :)
Sonuva... Man, Paizo is really screwing with things right now. :(