why are there still items that are clearly ripped from other IP still here?
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A couple of culls seriously tones down my snark. There are still a few items here and there that raise my ire a bit, but since I'm not seeing them so often, I don't have much to say here. Praise thread doesn't seem worth it, since I have to be so vague I can't really give credit to items for being good.
I wonder if it's time to revive the joke item thread yet?
I've already started drafting my joke item. I think I've put more effort into it than my actual entry.
I'm seeing a rash of weapons that change all of their damage to elemental damage. The good better ones at least limit it to a duration, but some just let you do it indefinitely. Maybe it's just me, but that seems like a huge powergamer move. Especially since its almost always to the damage types that basically no creature has resistance to. Coincidence? I think not.
why are there still items that are clearly ripped from other IP still here?
Because not everyone will immediately recognize items from other IPs. Many of the more obscure ones will probably make it pretty far in if they're decently drafted.
Saw my item for the first time today! And it had even more errors in it than I originally remembered. Oy vey.
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Just saw an item that was fairly well-written, but if used as written, will likely result in your death!
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Joke item, we meet again. I prayed and hope you'd been banished with the others during the first culling. When I laid eyes upon you again, I said "no this cannot be, its too strong, it must have destroyed the CullHammer when it came down," well not this time!
This is post 2nd cull and still you persist! I'll see you culled if its the last vote I ever do!
Wow. I can't believe I finally just up voted an item that made excessive use of the word "attune". I hate that word.I'm surprised some bard crafter hasn't already invented auto-attune.
I have and it's absolutely hilarious,if I may say so my self. But I didn't think it would fair well in RPGSS.
I just saw an item that I swear I saw last year. Like, nearly word for word. So I checked my files of items I liked and it seems like it's pretty darn close. Almost like it was resubmitted with a couple of minor word changes.
I up voted it last year. Not this year.
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Now I keep finding what I like to refer to as Peter Jackson items.
"That's cool! Oh, that's pretty great, too. All right... wait... no, stop, you've made your point... THIS IS NOW OFFICIALLY TOO MUCH."
Like, so many items. Just remove the last ability, and you would have been perfect. ;_;
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For the lulz.
Somebody watched this before creating their item... and I love it. First Joke/Reference type item I have fully appreciated.
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I've seen a few items that would be fine if their effects had durations. Alas, they do not, and as permanent effects they're overpowered.
I just don't have the drive to vote or snark tonight?
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I just don't have the drive to vote or snark tonight?
You may need new snark plugs.
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We're not seeing many new items now, and most of the remaining are either good or mediocre, so I think urge to snark is just naturally dying down.
As crazy as this competition is it seem to be a better way to get a good adventure than TSR had hack in the day. This is a good read, especially if you remember 1st ed.
"Quagmire"
As crazy as this competition is it seem to be a better way to get a good adventure than TSR had hack in the day. This is a good read, especially if you remember 1st ed.
"Quagmire"
Emphasis mine
Freudian slip much? :D
Did you just Snark yourself?
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saw an item where it's like 'You want me to strap what to my where? And then try to walk through town without being locked up for very clear insanity?'
As crazy as this competition is it seem to be a better way to get a good adventure than TSR had hack in the day. This is a good read, especially if you remember 1st ed.
"Quagmire"
Wow, had never seen that one before. That seems like a recipe for disaster.
Wow, had never seen that one before. That seems like a recipe for disaster.
Eh. Quagmire isn't that bad. In spite of the development snafus behind it, Merle Rasmussen (and all associated) still put out a fairly decent module.
It's certainly not the worst module TSR ever put out by a long shot. I think that category is held by such gems as "Castle Greyhawk" and "Gargoyle."
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I feel like the voting booth is testing me.
First, I got item A vs something
Then, I got item B vs something
Then, I got item A vs item B
And the, I got item B vs item A
It's as though the voting booth was asking "Are you really sure about this?"
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I remind myself that although I keep seeming to see the same set of items like a Sisyphean optometrist's exam, somewhere out there, my item is tormenting dozens of other other voters with its jaw-dropping mediocrity.
Why do you hate that class so badly? Scratch that, I know why, but do you really need to base your entry on taking that specific class out?
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Everyone please delete these words/phrases from your vocabulary forth with and swear to never use them again ...
"can"
"could"
"should"
"may"
"will"
"like"
"can be"
"could be"
"may be"
"appears"
"as if"
"prized by"
"favored by/of"
"very, very"Edit + "Additionally"
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Please add another word to ban to this list.
"Additionally"
Gah, we know it's additional, because it is oft near end of the item, or if you have said your item grants two benefits and have just described the first one, we know there is a second one and must be about to start it.
Don't waste your word count with this word.
When writing short fiction, I read about the word "Suddenly" - rather than say "Suddenly, the blade fell", just say "The blade fell."
By use of the word "Suddenly", you are cluing the reader of an imminent event and so stealing from the power of that event and the readers reaction, you have in fact pre-warned them and eliminated the shock you were aiming for.
Additionally has that same issue, it delays the reader into getting to what they really want to read about...
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Please add another word to ban to this list.
"Additionally"
Gah, we know it's additional, because it is oft near end of the item, or if you have said your item grants two benefits and have just described the first one, we know there is a second one and must be about to start it.
Don't waste your word count with this word.
When writing short fiction, I read about the word "Suddenly" - rather than say "Suddenly, the blade fell", just say "The blade fell."
By use of the word "Suddenly", you are cluing the reader of an imminent event and so stealing from the power of that event and the readers reaction, you have in fact pre-warned them and eliminated the shock you were aiming for.
Additionally has that same issue, it delays the reader into getting to what they really want to read about...
Suddenly, Anthony Adam makes a very important post about dynamic writing practices.
Additionally, he should consider adding it to that PDF compilation of his!
:)
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It appears quite helpful and may be prized by very very good designers.
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It appears quite helpful and may be prized by very very good designers.
Additionally, it appears mundane and it's true power can only be recognized by high level editors.
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So, it has come to the point when I have to look at pricing to determine who to vote for!
As usual, the 3 most overlooked considerations that affect cost:
1) Use-activated or Continuous: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
2) Multiple Similar Abilities: For items with multiple similar abilities that don't take up space on a character's body, use the following formula: Calculate the price of the single most costly ability, then add 75% of the value of the next most costly ability, plus 1/2 the value of any other abilities.
3) Multiple Different Abilities: Abilities such as an attack roll bonus or saving throw bonus and a spell-like function are not similar, and their values are simply added together to determine the cost. For items that take up a space on a character's body, each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price.
Everyone please delete these words/phrases from your vocabulary forth with and swear to never use them again ...
"can"
"could"
"should"
"may"
"will"
"like"
"can be"
"could be"
"may be"
"appears"
"as if"
"prized by"
"favored by/of"
"very, very"Edit + "Additionally"
...
Please add another word to ban to this list.
"Additionally"
Gah, we know it's additional, because it is oft near end of the item, or if you have said your item grants two benefits and have just described the first one, we know there is a second one and must be about to start it.
Don't waste your word count with this word.
When writing short fiction, I read about the word "Suddenly" - rather than say "Suddenly, the blade fell", just say "The blade fell."
By use of the word "Suddenly", you are cluing the reader of an imminent event and so stealing from the power of that event and the readers reaction, you have in fact pre-warned them and eliminated the shock you were aiming for.
Additionally has that same issue, it delays the reader into getting to what they really want to read about...
While I see your point, I think there are enough situations in which some of these words not only make sense, but are essential to understanding. After all, writing rules language is different from writing short fiction. Whether effect B is 'in addition' to effect A or functions 'alternatively' is an important distinction. Often it is necessary to state whether the wielder 'can', 'may', or 'must' [follow rule]. And the CRB gives more than enough examples of effects that function 'as if' [spell] for this to be considered a standard phrase. Putting a general ban on these words/phrases seems somewhat extreme.
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So, it has come to the point when I have to look at pricing to determine who to vote for!
As usual, the 3 most overlooked considerations that affect cost:
1) Use-activated or Continuous: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
2) Multiple Similar Abilities: For items with multiple similar abilities that don't take up space on a character's body, use the following formula: Calculate the price of the single most costly ability, then add 75% of the value of the next most costly ability, plus 1/2 the value of any other abilities.
3) Multiple Different Abilities: Abilities such as an attack roll bonus or saving throw bonus and a spell-like function are not similar, and their values are simply added together to determine the cost. For items that take up a space on a character's body, each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price.
If you're going to abide by these guidelines, know that you can reach to quite some astronomical values.
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Thank you, designers of +1 weapons and armour that are less than 18,000 gp. I like my weapons and armour to be weapons and armour and not wondrous items in disguise. If you cost more than a +3 weapon or +4 armour, you'd better have an ability that's competitive.
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2) Multiple Similar Abilities: For items with multiple similar abilities that don't take up space on a character's body, use the following formula: Calculate the price of the single most costly ability, then add 75% of the value of the next most costly ability, plus 1/2 the value of any other abilities.
3) Multiple Different Abilities: Abilities such as an attack roll bonus or saving throw bonus and a spell-like function are not similar, and their values are simply added together to determine the cost. For items that take up a space on a character's body, each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price.
Something that I struggle with is distinguishing between these two. What determines whether an ability is "similar" or "different"?
Great, now I look at that more, I debatably overpriced my item. Now I'm going to cringe when/if I see it again.
Thinking on my snark a little more, it occurs to me that weapons tend to have bonus equivalents, but that sort of thing isn't really covered in those guidelines. Rules as written, it looks like it should be a flat price increase as a different ability. I'd thought it worked as flat bonus, but now I'm not sure.
Looking through UE it looks like that is the way to do it, but judging by the number of expensive armours and weapons it might need some clarification.
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While I see your point, I think there are enough situations in which some of these words not only make sense, but are essential to understanding. After all, writing rules language is different from writing short fiction. Whether effect B is 'in addition' to effect A or functions 'alternatively' is an important distinction. Often it is necessary to state whether the wielder 'can', 'may', or 'must' [follow rule]. And the CRB gives more than enough examples of effects that function 'as if' [spell] for this to be considered a standard phrase. Putting a general ban on these words/phrases seems somewhat extreme.Everyone please delete these words/phrases from your vocabulary forth with and swear to never use them again ...
"can"
"could"
"should"
"may"
"will"
"like"
"can be"
"could be"
"may be"
"appears"
"as if"
"prized by"
"favored by/of"
"very, very"Edit + "Additionally"
...
Please add another word to ban to this list.
"Additionally"
Gah, we know it's additional, because it is oft near end of the item, or if you have said your item grants two benefits and have just described the first one, we know there is a second one and must be about to start it.
Don't waste your word count with this word.
When writing short fiction, I read about the word "Suddenly" - rather than say "Suddenly, the blade fell", just say "The blade fell."
By use of the word "Suddenly", you are cluing the reader of an imminent event and so stealing from the power of that event and the readers reaction, you have in fact pre-warned them and eliminated the shock you were aiming for.
Additionally has that same issue, it delays the reader into getting to what they really want to read about...
Ok, instead of ban, how about calling them passive red flags... If you find youself writing them. Review your sentence and see if it is better and stronger when reworked without the word...
I agee on additionally as a distinction to alternatively, the point I was alluding to is when it simply means "and", i.e you get this, additionally this. They arent alternatives in that case.
So, it has come to the point when I have to look at pricing to determine who to vote for!
As usual, the 3 most overlooked considerations that affect cost:
1) Use-activated or Continuous: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
My question? I was working on a item, I wanted it to have a move action to maintain its effect everturn. You had no limit on uses but it wasn't continuuos, How would you have prized it?
Its use activated, you are spending an action to activate/ continue an effect, so I would look at the guidelines for pricing and the price tables, especially the footnotes where such conditions of use are to be found.
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My question? I was working on a item, I wanted it to have a move action to maintain its effect everturn. You had no limit on uses but it wasn't continuuos, How would you have prized it?
EDIT: What Tony the Demon said above.