Does Telekinetic Fist count as a bludgeoning weapon?

[trollbill]

Does the Transmuter ability, Telekinetic Fist, count as a bludgeoning weapon for feats like Bludgeoner and Sap Adept?

[SlimGauge]

References:
Telekinetic Fist
Bludgeoner
Sap Adept

This hinges on the ability to do non-lethal damage with Telekinetic Fist.

The section of the rules that allows one to do non-lethal damage with a weapon that's normally lethal says

Rules wrote:

Nonlethal Damage with a Weapon that Deals Lethal Damage: You can use a melee weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage instead, but you take a –4 penalty on your attack roll.

While you certainly can't (barring some other special ability) do non-lethal damage with Magic Missile (no attack roll, for one thing), it *might* be possible with Telekinetic Fist. IF it is, then Bludgeoner can negate the -4 and then Sap Adept can add the sneak attack bonus.

Ask your GM.

[DM_Blake]

Slim got most of it right but left out this part:

Pathfinder SRD, Combat, Non-lethal Damage wrote:

Nonlethal Damage with a Weapon that Deals Lethal Damage

You can use a melee weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage instead, but you take a –4 penalty on your attack roll.

Telekinetic Fist is not a melee weapon. Therefore by RAW it cannot be used to deal non-lethal damage.

Therefore, the other two feats won't work with it.

That said, as a GM I'm not sure I would be opposed to allowing this to work, as a house rule - multiclassing and spending two feats to be able to do a half-dozen ranged touch sneak attacks for d6+2 per sneak attack die doesn't seem too overpowered, considering the investment.

[trollbill]

This would be for a PFS character so I am looking at RAW. However, your Nonlethal Damage quote only mentions melee weapons, which would suggest I could not do this with Telekinetic Fist since it is a ranged attack.