How does Efreeti Change Size Ability Work?


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Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber
Genie, Efreeti wrote:


SQ change shape (humanoid or giant, alter self or giant form I)

Change Size (Sp) Twice per day, an efreeti can magically change a creature's size. This works just like an enlarge person or reduce person spell (the efreeti chooses when using the ability), except that the ability can work on the efreeti. A DC 13 Fortitude save negates the effect. The save DC is Charisma-based. This is the equivalent of a 2nd-level spell.

So I get using this on others, and I assume it is a full round action, but how does it work on itself? Does it allow the Efreeti to grow bigger? Does it become Huge? do you use Enlarge Person, or Giant Form?


The SQ change shape is a completely different ability.
The change size specify that it works on the efreeti because he's an outsider not a humanoid. A wizard couldn't use it on him as Enlarge person targets one humanoid, something the efreeti is not. If his ability didn't specifically say he could change his own size than he could not do so.

As for change shape I think I know how it works but I might be wrong so I'll leave that to someone else

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

wow, now I'm extra confused, so Chap Shape is a universal Monster Ability:

Quote:
Change Shape (Su) A creature with this special quality has the ability to assume the appearance of a specific creature or type of creature (usually a humanoid), but retains most of its own physical qualities. A creature cannot change shape to a form more than one size category smaller or larger than its original form. This ability functions as a polymorph spell, the type of which is listed in the creature's description, but the creature does not adjust its ability scores (although it gains any other abilities of the creature it mimics). Unless otherwise stated, it can remain in an alternate form indefinitely. Some creatures, such as lycanthropes, can transform into unique forms with special modifiers and abilities. These creatures do adjust their ability scores, as noted in their description.

So does he apply the bonuses of Giant Form I and get all the size bonuses to his ability scores?


The efreet's change shape and change size abilities are completely seperate. Not the same ability.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber
Milo v3 wrote:
The efreet's change shape and change size abilities are completely seperate. Not the same ability.

already noted, we are focused on the Change Shape ability, and how it is used on the efreeti's self


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Change Shape (Su)

A creature with this special quality has the ability to assume the appearance of a specific creature or type of creature (usually a humanoid), but retains most of its own physical qualities. A creature cannot change shape to a form more than one size category smaller or larger than its original form. This ability functions as a polymorph spell, the type of which is listed in the creature’s description, but the creature does not adjust its ability scores (although it gains any other abilities of the creature it mimics). Unless otherwise stated, it can remain in an alternate form indefinitely. Some creatures, such as lycanthropes, can transform into unique forms with special modifiers and abilities. These creatures do adjust their ability scores, as noted in their descriptions.

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Giant Form I

When you cast this spell you can assume the form of any Large humanoid creature of the giant subtype (those are: frost giant, fire giant, cyclops, ettin, hill giant, ogre, stone giant, or troll). Once you assume your new form, you gain the following abilities:
•+6 size bonus to Strength
•-2 penalty to Dexterity
•+4 size bonus to Constitution
•+4 natural armor bonus

•low-light vision

If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability:
•darkvision 60 feet
•rend (2d6 damage)
•regeneration 5
•rock catching
•rock throwing (range 60 feet, 2d6 damage)

If the creature has immunity or resistance to any elements, you gain resistance 20 to those elements.

If the creature has vulnerability to an element, you gain that vulnerability.

So you don't adjust ability scores - I assume that includes the +4 natural armor. You don't change size because you're already large.

You could use it to gain troll regeneration, or to turn into a Frost Giant and get Resist Cold 20.


Matthew Downie wrote:
So you don't adjust ability scores - I assume that includes the +4 natural armor.

I see no reason you wouldn't get the Natural Armor. It's not an ability score.


Yeah, looks like you're right.

I think the purpose of this ability was for a monster to be able to change shape for reasons of disguise without the GM having to update its stat block, but it's probably simpler to stick to RAW.

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