Hi guys . I have looked around for two weapon fight builds and found lots of heavy strength builds. Problem is I want to run a kitsune. I also was looking at the fighter class for consistent all the time damage. Is there a way to have a high dex fighter with ok strength and still be moderately effective.
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going 1 level of swashbuckler and using sawtooth sabers can be a pretty good dex to damage 2wf build
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You may also want to wait until the ACG errata comes out before committing to a build. Mark Seifter confirmed here that Slashing Grace is up for errata which will apparently include letting it apply to light weapons.
Also nice is Piranha Strike, from Sargava, the Lost Colony, which is Power Attack exclusively for light weapons, without that pesky 13 Str requirement.
The Agile weapon property lets you use dexterity instead of strength for damage on a finesse weapon, though you need to get two +1, Agile weapons before you can use it.
There are feats that allow you to use dexterity instead of strength for damage, though to two-weapon fight with them you need to wield two normal-size weapons. A Fighter shouldn't have too much problem overcoming the -4ab, though if you use Sawtooth Sabres you only lose the -2ab TWF penalty even though they're not light weapons.
If you don't have any of the newer books that allow dex-to-damage, the Elven Curved Blade is a finesse weapon you can use two-handed with Power Attack. With 14ish strength and Fighter bonuses it's not much different from swinging around a falchion with full-strength.
While straight Fighter works well enough, things like Oracle or Oracle/ Fighter or Oracle/ Urban Barbarian can be extremely powerful. If you want to avoid spell-casters, Fighter/ Rogue or Fighter/ Ninja can do some cool mystical-powers stuff that fits well with a Kitsune.
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kalindara. I would consider the 1 hand build if its completely not viable to do two weapon fighter.
chess pwn. hmm might be worth the one level if I can get them and use them as finesse weapons
arutema. ooooohhhh that sounds nice. didn't like the fact that it only affected weapons that didn't work with finesse weapons
badbird. agile would be very nice and help my build. I would rather have weapons that dont suffer the high penalty and I think I have to take a level in swashbuckler to get sawtooth as a finesse weapon.
I will say though looking at it I don't see that the sawtooth saber becomes a finesse usable weapon with swashbuckler because it only gets the benefit of one handed or light in reguards to two weapon fighting.
point of not the goal I have is to have multiple strikes to benefit from bonus damage and high crit
by level 6 this is what I am looking at
str14
dex17 (16+1 lvl 4)
con12
int14
wis10
cha10
feats
weapon finesse
weapon focus kukri
weapon spec kukri
two weapon
improved two weapon
weapon expertise
piranha strike
captains blade for acrobatics
valashmai veteran for perception
weapons and armor of choice
mithral chainmail
x2 +1 agile kurki ( +1d6 elemental being the next choice)
strayshift
kukri is what I was thinking too. I plan on building him to be a crit monster. downside to weapon master is that I lose the armor training which since I will be stacking dex is a big thing.
I was thinking two weapon fighter. what do you think about that as opposed to standard fighter?
Is sawtooth saber usable as a finesse weapon. from the way the weapon is read it doesn't seem to apply for weapon finesse just for the purpose of negatives for two weapon fighting.
second does combat expertise count as fighting defensively for the purpose of two weapon defense
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Is sawtooth saber usable as a finesse weapon. from the way the weapon is read it doesn't seem to apply for weapon finesse just for the purpose of negatives for two weapon fighting.
second does combat expertise count as fighting defensively for the purpose of two weapon defense
It is only finessable with the Swashbuckler's/Champion's Finesse class feature and Slashing Grace. Once you've done all that, though, Dex away!
No. It must specify Combat Expertise and fighting defensively for both to work.
The biggest down-side to Two Weapon Warrior is that they can't use Gloves of Dueling, which is a pity but not a problem. Their ability to attack with both hands on a standard attack is extremely good. The only down-side to going dex-based Two Weapon Warrior is that you can't exploit Two-Weapon Rend on a standard attack, but it's still a great archetype.
The Dervish Fighter Archetype is actually very good by 11, when you can drop one attack from one hand to make a full attack and move at the same time.
If you're planning to use the Agile property anyhow, you could consider going rapier and spiked light shield. You can pick up Fencing Grace for the rapier so that you don't need to make at least that weapon Agile (since making a weapon Agile means losing another possible enhancement or ability), and you can put Agile on a quickdraw light shield with Improved Shield Bash so that you get to have the extra AC of a shield with two-weapon finesse fighting. The light shield isn't as good a weapon and won't get the little extra bonuses like +2 specialization, but you're getting a whole new source of AC and possibly Shield Slam. Also, you can pick up the Amateur Swashbuckler feat to use with your Kitsune charisma - it will work with both rapier and spiked shield, and Opportune Parry and Riposte (from Amateur Swashbuckler) is an awesome ability.
Edit: oh yeah, and with a shield you can eventually do Bashing Finish. Good god Bashing Finish is nasty with a high-crit melee weapon.
At 1st level, a swashbuckler gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat with light or one-handed piercing melee weapons, and she can use her Charisma score in place of Intelligence as a prerequisite for combat feats. This ability counts as having the Weapon Finesse feat for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites.
A sawtoothed sabre may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtoothed sabre), you treat the weapon as if it were a light weapon for the purpose of two-weapon fighting—the sabre remains classified as a one-handed melee weapon for all other purposes.
sawtooth saber isn't piercing I don't see how it applies for this ability.
combat expertise not counting for fighting defensively sucks. I am better at this than your average joe so I can't get the synergy the average joe does. so dumb.
sawtooth saber isn't piercing I don't see how it applies for this ability.
The feat Slashing Grace makes it count as a piercing weapon for Swashbuckler stuff along with making it use dexterity for strength.
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At 1st level, a swashbuckler gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat with light or one-handed piercing melee weapons, and she can use her Charisma score in place of Intelligence as a prerequisite for combat feats. This ability counts as having the Weapon Finesse feat for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites.
A sawtoothed sabre may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtoothed sabre), you treat the weapon as if it were a light weapon for the purpose of two-weapon fighting—the sabre remains classified as a one-handed melee weapon for all other purposes.
sawtooth saber isn't piercing I don't see how it applies for this ability.
combat expertise not counting for fighting defensively sucks. I am better at this than your average joe so I can't get the synergy the average joe does. so dumb.
Please consult the Slashing Grace feat. ^_^
Agreed on Combat Expertise. In more recent products, they've been trying to fix this...
circling mongoose
vulpine pounce
both of these seem to be good long term goals.
At 1st level, a swashbuckler gains the benefits of the Weapon Finesse feat with light or one-handed piercing melee weapons, and she can use her Charisma score in place of Intelligence as a prerequisite for combat feats. This ability counts as having the Weapon Finesse feat for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites.
A sawtoothed sabre may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtoothed sabre), you treat the weapon as if it were a light weapon for the purpose of two-weapon fighting—the sabre remains classified as a one-handed melee weapon for all other purposes.
sawtooth saber isn't piercing I don't see how it applies for this ability.
combat expertise not counting for fighting defensively sucks. I am better at this than your average joe so I can't get the synergy the average joe does. so dumb.
Please consult the Slashing Grace feat. ^_^
Agreed on Combat Expertise. In more recent products, they've been trying to fix this...
ahhhhhhhh nice
If I went two weapon warrior the sawtooth saber thing might work when I get to the point of getting two weapon penalties reduced. until then its still -4/-4 which is ouch.
If I went two weapon warrior the sawtooth saber thing might work when I get to the point of getting two weapon penalties reduced. until then its still -4/-4 which is ouch.
The point of the sawtooth is that it's only -2/-2 for TWF even though it's not light. Picking up a level of Swashbuckler also means you get free Panache and Deeds, so it's really very useful.
nevermind I derped because hero lab didn't pick it up properly
wait I see why it wasn't working. it requires 2 feats. slashing finesse and exotic weapon prof
you don't get the cool counts as light weapon unless you have it as an exotic weapon
well hmmmmm. this seems to do a lot better with the slayer build. not quite as many feats but way more skill points and better saves.