Challenge to Min-Max and Optimize Spell DC


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So I've been curious for a while now about how to completely optimize a spell's DC. Not talking net total for first lowering an opponents saves, just talking increasing your spell's DC to the highest you can possibly pump it. So, given a casting stat of 42 (so net total of +16 you could get to your spell DC) what is the best you can raise your spell DC to?

I personally found that with a Kitsune Sorcerer using their class feature to add DCs to enchantment spells I could hit a DC 47 with:

Base 10
Spell Level 9
Spell perfection plus
Spell Focus +2
Greater Spell Focus +2
Arcane Bloodine +3
Kitsune +5
Stat +16

DC 47 total on Dominate Monster.

Oh and for fairness sakes lets leave out Mythic and 3rd party.


Outlander: loreseeker trait will give you another +2 combo'd with spell perfection.


Stat of 42? Base 20, +5 levels, +5 tomes, +6 item... 36. Where is the other +6 from?


you can get profane +2/+4 stat increase from succubus/lilitu

several templates give stat bonuses- good reason to be a lich or vampire

your missing trait bonuses- several give +1 DC to selected spells such as lore seeker, missionary or eager performer

crossblooded sorcerer with fey will also get +2 DC

I think its pretty easy to get over 50 if your really specializing


Kitsune get +1 base, plus 1 per 4 levels (+6 total at 20)

Liberty's Edge

I thought Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus were only +1 each in Pathfinder. (They were +2 each in 3.5x)


zenseer wrote:

I thought Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus were only +1 each in Pathfinder. (They were +2 each in 3.5x)

Spell perfection doubles it.


Also don't forget you can get +3 to a mental stat from age. But with Traits that would add a +2 to bring us up to 49, and if we go cross blooded we could hit 51. Any higher?

Dark Archive

There's honeyed words trait, that adds +1 DC to enchantment effects that result in non harmful, peaceful actions. Making it a 52


A dip in Spellslinger wizard can add +5 DC, but only for a ranged touch attack, ray, line, or cone. Maybe a heightened waves of ecstasy? Or a reach irresistible dance?

Honeyed words would work on either of those, but not on Dominate Monster, because that provides ongoing control.

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