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The whole "passing the torch to the next generation" would usually imply a death of a original trilogy character, if only to exploit the dramatic effect.

In that regard, I think Han's death would carry the most heft, followed by Luke or Leia.

As much as I would prefer C3P) blasted to atoms I know it ain't happening.

Killing off Chewie, possible, but there's no little wookies taking up the fight, so suspect if anyone is dying is a parental figure.


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I don't think killing off a character would be wise for JJ or this series in the slightest.


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Freehold DM wrote:
I don't think killing off a character would be wise for JJ or this series in the slightest.

Unfortunately for you, I have already scanned the entire movie from JJ's brain. I can confirm that UNNAMED STORMTROOPER #7246598 is killed off, permanently, and will never appear in the series again.


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Freehold DM wrote:
I don't think killing off a character would be wise for JJ or this series in the slightest.

It would certainly destroy my enthusiasm for it.


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Obi Wan does die in ANH. I'm pretty sure that if ANH had been filmed after the prequel trilogy people would have screamed for his death...

Similarly, Qui Gon kicks the bucket in Phantom Menace. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main characters is killed in Force Awakens.


EDIT: Ninja'd by Laurefindel!

It... could. Death, however, could make a great deal of sense. In addition, I could see it as part of a motif.

The recurring concept of the mentor passing on, to leave the student the new master.

Example wrote:


EP1: Qui Gon died, newcomer Obiwan became the primary Jedi.

(Ep 2-3 happen)

EP4: Obiwan died, newcomer Luke became the primary Jedi.

(Ep 5-6 happen)

EP7: Luke dies, newcomer Rey/Finn become the primary Jedi(?)

That would meet a host of interesting parallels between the various series, and create interesting dynamics.

This is not a prediction or spoiler. This is an example.

More than that, death is... rather prevalent in Star Wars, even for rather prominent characters.

Just going from memory...

People alive from the prequel arc at the beginning of the original arc: three (four, if you count Jar Jar) - Obiwan, Anakin, and Palpatine.

People dead from the prequel arc who have prominent screen time/presence (not counting Darth Maul, for example): five - Shmi, Padme, Jango, Qui-Gon, and Mace.

People dying in the original series: Obiwan, Yoda, Boba Fett, Darth Vader, Palpatine, and Piett; as well, those who don't make more than one real appearance from the original trilogy, but stretch back significantly prior include [Greedo, Bail, Owen, Beru, Biggs, and Jabba].

That's... pretty big. And mind, these are either major on-screen presences for a film, or their people who appear over multiple films.

Of identifiable "heroes" in the films, Obiwan and Yoda both passed on, and from the original series not just those two, but Padme as well (Anakin is a bit... iffy). This makes a fair balance between heroic survival and heroic loss.

... now, all that said, I'm not hoping anyone dies. Merely pointing out the fact that it's a pretty solidly established tradition in the SW universe through films (but also through the shows).


Just so long as it's Jar Jar Binks, and it's quick so he can't say anything.


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Tacticslion wrote:
People dying in the original series:(...) Boba Fett (...)

I refuse to believe that boba fett is dead :)

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Laurefindel wrote:

Obi Wan does die in ANH. I'm pretty sure that if ANH had been filmed after the prequel trilogy people would have screamed for his death...

Similarly, Qui Gon kicks the bucket in Phantom Menace. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main characters is killed in Force Awakens.

I don't think anyone is saying main characters don't die in Star Wars - just that these beloved characters have been around for dozens of years and killing one off would have to be extremely justified within the movie and the entire thing will have to be perfectly executed or people would feel really really bad about it. Nobody wants to see Han Solo get killed now after he's been such a part of our childhoods and sometimes even adult life. That's just not what people would look for in the new movie.


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Lord Snow wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:

Obi Wan does die in ANH. I'm pretty sure that if ANH had been filmed after the prequel trilogy people would have screamed for his death...

Similarly, Qui Gon kicks the bucket in Phantom Menace. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main characters is killed in Force Awakens.

I don't think anyone is saying main characters don't die in Star Wars - just that these beloved characters have been around for dozens of years and killing one off would have to be extremely justified within the movie and the entire thing will have to be perfectly executed or people would feel really really bad about it. Nobody wants to see Han Solo get killed now after he's been such a part of our childhoods and sometimes even adult life. That's just not what people would look for in the new movie.

I thought Harrison Ford did?

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True. That was, of course, rather famously the reason Lucas wrote the whole Han encased in carbonite thing - Ford told them he wanted to be killed off so he didn't have to come back for the next movie. The carbonite thing was Lucas's way of hedging his bets in case he could later convince Ford to reconsider.

All very interesting, if the current rumors are at all true ...

Spoiler:
Kylo Ren (and most likely Rey as well) are the children of Han and Leia - remember Leia is also a Skywalker, so, if the rumors are correct, it explains why Kylo Ren is obsessed with Vader, his grandfather. Supposedly, Han somehow confronts Kylo at some point, possibly in an attempt to buy time while his friends escape from a ship, and tries to make amends with his son. An enraged Kylo kills Han with his light saber in what would be quite a dramatic (and very consistently Star Wars) moment, which then spurs on the big final act of the film ... and most likely sets the stage for the next film.

Like I said, if this is at all true, it would be a VERY dramatic (and very consistently Star Wars) moment in the movie.


Harrison Ford probably bites it. After all, he costs. And honestly, I'd prefer him to get a good screen death rather than have the rest of the trilogy as "Han Solo in a nursing home". He really ought to have known enough to stay away, because like Captain Scoundrél in OOTS, there was no other option for him than being the mentor.


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Freehold DM wrote:
shouldn't have done the crime if he couldn't do the time.

I think the problem wasn't that he did it and got fan hate mail, but his brother died just before the book came out and he was struggling through grief at the same time hundreds of people were demanding his head on a stick. It was pretty rough.

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List of Deaths

For the curious. I was. Interesting!

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That article casually puts "with the rest of alderaan, death star, death star 2", etc. for all the millions killed as collateral damage. Two death stars full of imperials, though, probably was still less than the planetary population of alderaan, so the rebels are still good guys :P

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Released clip from The Force Awakens.

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New TV spot with Rogue Squadron (??), Nien Nunb in aerial combat, and a glimpse of 1,000 year old Maz Kanata.

We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

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Are we sure that was Nien Nunb or was it another Sullustan?

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archmagi1 wrote:
That article casually puts "with the rest of alderaan, death star, death star 2", etc. for all the millions killed as collateral damage. Two death stars full of imperials, though, probably was still less than the planetary population of alderaan, so the rebels are still good guys :P

There's a Clerks reference that should go here, but I'm to tired from working this weekend to make it.

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Krensky wrote:
archmagi1 wrote:
That article casually puts "with the rest of alderaan, death star, death star 2", etc. for all the millions killed as collateral damage. Two death stars full of imperials, though, probably was still less than the planetary population of alderaan, so the rebels are still good guys :P
There's a Clerks reference that should go here, but I'm to tired from working this weekend to make it.

You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

New TV spot with Rogue Squadron (??), Nien Nunb in aerial combat, and a glimpse of 1,000 year old Maz Kanata.

We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

Where was the glimpse of 1,000 year old Maz Kanata?


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Imbicatus wrote:
Are we sure that was Nien Nunb or was it another Sullustan?

I checked IMDB and they don't have Nien Numb listed as a character, but the cast list is far from complete. So I am leaning towards 'to early to say.'

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Not Nien Numb.

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I have a bad feeling about this.

If Harrison Ford is making sketches like this, I think he is because he got his wish of Han Solo being killed of.

"Ok JJ if you promise to finally kill me off I will be your marketing monkey tool for the three months leading to the premier. Deal?"

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Or Kimmel gave him a truckload of omney


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Or engaging in marketing like that is a lot more fun than the traditional movie press junket.

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Hama wrote:
Or Kimmel gave him a truckload of omney

To be fair TV talk shows don't work that way in the least, appearances by actors are driven by what they are promoting at the time, Harrison would make very little for an appearance if any at all.

Regardless, I don't think Harrison is hurting for money, although Disney is the parent company of ABC.

Still its not Carrie or the younger stars doing the talk show circuit its a LOT of Mr. Ford.


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"Chewie, Get off my plane!"

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On Goggle, do a search for "A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away" right now.

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The Force Awakens will be the second Star Wars film to have a PG 13 rating.

Some bits behind the technology the cross hilt lightsaber and Starkiller Base.

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Apple buys Star Wars Motion Capture company.

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New TV spot with some new stuff Getting better and they still saying nothing about the plot.


Should we guess the plot?

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Please no!


Just asking. :-)


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

Played by Jessica Henwick who was in GAME OF THRONES last year. Unusual for a STAR WARS actor to be playing a character with the same name.

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Should we guess the plot?

FANFARE

TITLE CRAWL

SPACESHIP FLYING INTO SHOT

STUFF GOING DOWN ON A PLANET (PROBABLY A DESERT ONE)

ACTION STUFF

WOAH LIGHTSABRE/FORCE REVEAL

ESCAPE FROM PLANET

STUFF IN SPACE

CUTAWAYS TO VILLAINOUS PLOTTING

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

EXPOSITION

PLAN ON HOW TO DEAL WITH BAD GUYS

SPACE BATTLE/GROUND BATTLE/BOTH

THREEPIO/ARTOO COMEDY PRATFALLS

BIG EXPLOSION/DEATH OF SECONDARY VILLAIN WHILST PRIMARY VILLAIN SURVIVES FOR SEQUELS

EVERYONE HIGH-FIVES/GIVES MEDALS TO/IMPREGNATES HEROES APART FROM CHEWBACCA, WHO IS IGNORED BECAUSE OF SPACE RACISM.

END CREDITS.


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Werthead wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

Played by Jessica Henwick who was in GAME OF THRONES last year. Unusual for a STAR WARS actor to be playing a character with the same name.

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Should we guess the plot?

FANFARE

TITLE CRAWL

SPACESHIP FLYING INTO SHOT

STUFF GOING DOWN ON A PLANET (PROBABLY A DESERT ONE)

ACTION STUFF

WOAH LIGHTSABRE/FORCE REVEAL

ESCAPE FROM PLANET

STUFF IN SPACE

CUTAWAYS TO VILLAINOUS PLOTTING

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

EXPOSITION

PLAN ON HOW TO DEAL WITH BAD GUYS

SPACE BATTLE/GROUND BATTLE/BOTH

THREEPIO/ARTOO COMEDY PRATFALLS

BIG EXPLOSION/DEATH OF SECONDARY VILLAIN WHILST PRIMARY VILLAIN SURVIVES FOR SEQUELS

EVERYONE HIGH-FIVES/GIVES MEDALS TO/IMPREGNATES HEROES APART FROM CHEWBACCA, WHO IS IGNORED BECAUSE OF SPACE RACISM.

END CREDITS.

Will the fanfare play now that Disney owns the franchise?

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Empire Magazine issue shares new revelations from The Force Awakens including confirming where we see Luke in the trailers.

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New The Force Awakens Featurette.


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Laurefindel wrote:
Werthead wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

Played by Jessica Henwick who was in GAME OF THRONES last year. Unusual for a STAR WARS actor to be playing a character with the same name.

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Should we guess the plot?

FANFARE

TITLE CRAWL

SPACESHIP FLYING INTO SHOT

STUFF GOING DOWN ON A PLANET (PROBABLY A DESERT ONE)

ACTION STUFF

WOAH LIGHTSABRE/FORCE REVEAL

ESCAPE FROM PLANET

STUFF IN SPACE

CUTAWAYS TO VILLAINOUS PLOTTING

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

EXPOSITION

PLAN ON HOW TO DEAL WITH BAD GUYS

SPACE BATTLE/GROUND BATTLE/BOTH

THREEPIO/ARTOO COMEDY PRATFALLS

BIG EXPLOSION/DEATH OF SECONDARY VILLAIN WHILST PRIMARY VILLAIN SURVIVES FOR SEQUELS

EVERYONE HIGH-FIVES/GIVES MEDALS TO/IMPREGNATES HEROES APART FROM CHEWBACCA, WHO IS IGNORED BECAUSE OF SPACE RACISM.

END CREDITS.

Will the fanfare play now that Disney owns the franchise?

Doesn't 20th Century Fox still own the distribution rights?

Regardless of of what I think of not-so-true-blue Rupe, not having those strient chords at the start seems wrong somehow.

Cheers
Mark


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Will the fanfare play now that Disney owns the franchise?

I was thinking more of the actual STAR WARS fanfare/theme rather than the Fox one, which I'm pretty certain won't appear.

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Doesn't 20th Century Fox still own the distribution rights?

No. They only own the distribution rights to STAR WARS (aka Ep 4) in perpetuity. Eps 5 and 6 revert to Lucasfilm and hence Disney in a couple of years.


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Mark Norfolk wrote:

Regardless of of what I think of not-so-true-blue Rupe, not having those strient chords at the start seems wrong somehow.

Cheers
Mark

Indeed

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Marc Radle wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:

New TV spot with Rogue Squadron (??), Nien Nunb in aerial combat, and a glimpse of 1,000 year old Maz Kanata.

We also see the female pilot Jessika Pava.

Where was the glimpse of 1,000 year old Maz Kanata?

In the above video you see Maz Kanata "paused" a few times, starting with 0:27. There are better pauses later on in the video.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Just so long as it's Jar Jar Binks, and it's quick so he can't say anything.

Jar Jar Binks IS (thankfully) dead.

With the Imperial Senate dissolved by the Emperor, the Gungan was on Alderaan when it was destroyed, you see him in the scene with Viceroy Bail Prestor Organa before the planet's end in the remake of A New Hope.

Think of it as an apology to The Universe and All Creation.


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HUZZAH!!!


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YEAAAAAAAH!


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That's... that's really funny.


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This calls for a CELEBRATION!!!

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And here I thought this was canon...

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