[PFS] Wisdom in the Flesh and ACP


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Dark Archive

Hi!
Let's say I take Wisdom in the Flesh to make swim a WIS based skill.
Does this mean it's no longer suspect to ACP and encumbrance? From a logical point of view, it shouldn't, since ACP is a penalty for DEX/STR based skills, because the armor makes it difficult to pulls of tasks based on STR and DEX. But since I don't use STR to swim, I should be fine.
Right?

Liberty's Edge

Rules question; flagged to be moved out of the PFS forum.

I would rule that the armour check penalty would still apply. Swim is still a Strength-based skill (with everything that entails), you just have special dispensation to use your Wisdom bonus.


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Not sure about PFS but under the normal rules, yes.
There was a ruling that in the moment you roll the skill it is checked whether it is based on a different stat and if it is it's not dex/strength based anymore for that roll and ACP doesn't apply.

Found it:

Pathfinder Design Team wrote:

FAQed!

FAQ wrote:

Alternate Ability Score-Based Checks: If I change the key ability score of a skill (or other check), for example, if I change Knowledge from Intelligence to Charisma, is it no-longer an Intelligence-based check? Is it now a Charisma-based check?

Generally yes—at the time of rolling a check, if you substitute the ability score, the check is now based on the new ability score. In the example, at the time of rolling, Knowledge would now be a Charisma-based skill and not an Intelligence-based skill for you, which would affect things like feats, spells, or items that grant bonuses on checks based on their key ability score (like circlet of persuasion). However, if you are adding a second ability modifier to a check, this is not the case. For instance, when adding both Wisdom and Dexterity on initiative checks, initiative is still a Dexterity check, not a Wisdom check. Also, this changes the check only at the time of rolling, so this does not change static class features or options made during character building such as your class’s class skills. Classes that receive “all Intelligence-based skills” as class skills, for instance, are the victim of sloppy writing, and furthermore sometimes effects might muddy the water by only changing the ability dependency sometimes and not others, which is why you check the new dependency only for a specific given roll.

Grand Lodge

Just remember that you can only take that if you worship Irori

Dark Archive

Yep, my sorcerer does follow Irori, so that's fine.

Thanks for the link to the FAQ, and sorry for the noobish questions :)
Just returned to pathfinder after a long absence (played a couple of months after it came out) and the society stuff is completely new to me.

Still a bit overwhelmed.

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