RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32
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What happens if an effect forces a blessing discard in a scenario with no blessings deck(such as 0-6F Lost in the Storm, or RotR 6-5)? I presume the intention is that nothing happens, but I think current RAW means the scenario ends in a loss.
Runelords has fewer of these effects, but in Season of the Shackles we could have structural damage to a wrecked ship, or simply wanting to flip a blessing to "activate a ship power" if we wanted to "flee" the scenario.
I'm not sure about forced effects, and whether that would trigger a loss or just do nothing, but I'd assume that you can't discard a non-existent blessing to pay a cost on a ship. (to add a die, explore, evade etc)
If the scenario doesn't have a blessings deck at all, then the mechanic of removing cards from the deck is actually impossible; you'd ignore any such effects.
It's not the same thing as the deck becoming depleted, because in such typical cases, it's possible for the deck to be drawn from during the scenario.
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I'm not sure about forced effects, and whether that would trigger a loss or just do nothing, but I'd assume that you can't discard a non-existent blessing to pay a cost on a ship. (to add a die, explore, evade etc)
I'm pretty much agreeing with this. You cannot utilize a ship's power that uses a blessing discard as its cost. But not sure about the wrecked ship and the penalty of losing blessings. One is a card telling you to do an impossible thing and the other is simply the rules of ships getting wrecked.
A card is creating the impossibility in the rules - and we know that cards override rules in case of conflict (unless the rule contains a never.) So you'd ignore the rule here.
"... We did something impossible, because nobody told us it was".
Just a feeling of Déjà-vu.
Don't do anything impossible. (And you can't choose to do a thing you can't do.)
I'm uncertain how this applies to structural damage in Season of the Shackles scenario 0-6F.
If my ship takes structural damage while it's wrecked, I'm supposed to discard cards from the blessings deck, but there is no blessings deck in this scenario.
Are you saying that structural damage to a wrecked ship has no effect in this scenario, or are you saying that the players must discard cards for structural damage because they can't choose to discard cards from the blessings deck instead?
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I read it that you cannot take further damage from wrecked ships in the form of blessing deck discards since there is no blessing deck. And, therefore, you can't use it as a way to end the scenario since there are no blessings.
I didn't see anywhere that you now have to discard cards from your hand to substitute for this. (Again, you don't do something you aren't told to do.)
And you cannot attempt to use a ship's power that requires you to discard a blessing from the blessings deck.
Basically, in situations where there is no blessings deck, you ignore any rule or power that requires interaction with the blessings deck.
Don't do anything impossible. (And you can't choose to do a thing you can't do.)I'm uncertain how this applies to structural damage in Season of the Shackles scenario 0-6F.
If my ship takes structural damage while it's wrecked, I'm supposed to discard cards from the blessings deck, but there is no blessings deck in this scenario.
Are you saying that structural damage to a wrecked ship has no effect in this scenario, or are you saying that the players must discard cards for structural damage because they can't choose to discard cards from the blessings deck instead?
Structural damage would have no effect; it's damage being taken by the ship, and anyone may reduce it by discarding cards. The rest is taken by the ship's "deck" (the blessings deck.) If the blessings deck is depleted, y'all lose. But if there isn't a blessings deck to begin with (as in these scenarios,) then the damage goes into the aether (much like a character taking damage against an empty hand.)
Yes I agree with Theryon and Sandslice.