Multi-Classing Arcanist w / Wizard


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I'm building an elemental focused Arcanist, everyone seems to do fire so I'm doing electricity (this is a flavor build, not a min/max build), but I've never multi-classed two arcane casters together and am not really sure how it works completely.

So far I know they operate on their own spell lists (i.e. If I had 4th level wizard spells, then took a level in Arcanist I'd only have access to 1st level Arcanist spells), but I'm not entirely sure if Arcanist abilities such as Potent Magic work on spells cast from the Wizard Spellbook, or if an Evocation focused Wizard can change the elemental properties of the spells cast from the Arcanist spellbook.

I don't want to create anything illegal, so I figured I'd come here and ask.


http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9ne8


At first I was confused as it was referencing Sorcerer Bloodlines, but then I read further and saw the added note. Did I read correctly that the Familiar stops advancing the moment I stop progressing as a Wizard?


SamuraiZero wrote:
Did I read correctly that the Familiar stops advancing the moment I stop progressing as a Wizard?

Yes, but it is an easy fix. Just take the Familiar Exploit.

Quote:
Familiar (Ex): An arcanist with this exploit can acquire a familiar as the arcane bond wizard class feature, using her arcanist level as her wizard level to determine any of the statistics and abilities of the familiar. If the arcanist receives a familiar from another class, her levels of arcanist stack with the levels from that class when determining the familiar's statistics and abilities (this ability does not stack with a familiar gained through the bloodline development exploit; she must choose one or the other).


Out of curiosity, what are you trying to do by multiclassing between them?

If you're concerned about making sure you get the details right, might be easier to say single-classed, and the School Savant archetype of the Arcanist gets... basically everything a Wizard cares about.


kestral287 wrote:

Out of curiosity, what are you trying to do by multiclassing between them?

If you're concerned about making sure you get the details right, might be easier to say single-classed, and the School Savant archetype of the Arcanist gets... basically everything a Wizard cares about.

This, and if you really want to multiclass anyway, the School Understanding exploit let you Arcanist levels stack with Wizard to determine School Powers


Depending on what your trying to get, and if it's allowed Variant multiclassing might be a better choice.

I'm not sure what your doing but i assume you wanted wizard for the ability to change elements?

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I am still on the bandwagon that the classes in that book should have been like the Alternate classes and not able to multiclass into the contributing classes that each are a part of.

It was taken out and complications of what is what resulted. (what stacks, what doesn't, how each class ability works with another, etc etc etc...)

With all the "balancing" that the Arcanist limits on spells per day and known spells, I wouldn't multiclass him at all, but try to get to where he is able to use his Arcane pool more effectively and have some way to regain points that doesn't mess with WBL by destroying/taking charges off items.


I realize there is the school of understanding, the problem is that for the Arcanist it operates under Charisma instead of under Intelligence like the Wizards does. What I'm going for is an Admixture Caster who specializes in Lightning based damage. Since I'm using this concept in PFS, and can only go to level 11 anyway, I'm not losing much by just dipping into Wizard for a level to gain a full use of the Admixture ability (3+5 rather than 3+1).


SamuraiZero wrote:
I realize there is the school of understanding, the problem is that for the Arcanist it operates under Charisma instead of under Intelligence like the Wizards does. What I'm going for is an Admixture Caster who specializes in Lightning based damage. Since I'm using this concept in PFS, and can only go to level 11 anyway, I'm not losing much by just dipping into Wizard for a level to gain a full use of the Admixture ability (3+5 rather than 3+1).

But you're going to cast spells two levels later than wizards and don't have the spell slots to compensate.

You should take the School Savant archetype. You'll get all the school powers on int without gimping your spell progression.


Alright then, I can't remember the other reason I wanted a dip in Wizard, but if I just stick as Arcanist then that solves the trouble of trying to multiclass.


SamuraiZero wrote:
I realize there is the school of understanding, the problem is that for the Arcanist it operates under Charisma instead of under Intelligence like the Wizards does. What I'm going for is an Admixture Caster who specializes in Lightning based damage. Since I'm using this concept in PFS, and can only go to level 11 anyway, I'm not losing much by just dipping into Wizard for a level to gain a full use of the Admixture ability (3+5 rather than 3+1).

You are better off going with a Blood Arcanist with the Elemental Air bloodline. You get the arcana so you can convert energy spells into Electricity and you get all the Elemental bloodline powers (just not the spells, or feats).

Silver Crusade

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I also have a arcanist/wizard multiclassing question, and I'll just tag along here. :)

I have an arcanist 4/wizard 1; can I use the same spellbook for both classes? In other words, can I prepare magic missile from that one spellbook as both an arcanist spell and a wizard spell, or do I need separate spellbooks for each class?

Follow-up question, assuming that I use one spellbook:

Do I still get to add (3 + Int bonus) spells to this spellbook when I take my first level of wizard?

Thanks in advance.


Their spells are separate I think. You could probably use the same physical book, but you'd maybe have to have the spells in their twice, the arcanist version and the wizard version. though you could transcribe one to the other.


Chess Pwn wrote:
Their spells are separate I think. You could probably use the same physical book, but you'd maybe have to have the spells in their twice, the arcanist version and the wizard version. though you could transcribe one to the other.

My DM ran it like any spell in my Wizard book was considered a "borrowed" spellbook for my Arcanist slots (and vice versa). So I could prepare Magic Missile as a Wizard from my Wizard spellbook without issue, but had to make a spellcraft check to prepare it as an Arcanist from my "Wizard" spellbook. Worked out fine. I ended up scribing a lot to double up some spells though to not worry about the checks at lower levels.

Silver Crusade

Canthin wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
Their spells are separate I think. You could probably use the same physical book, but you'd maybe have to have the spells in their twice, the arcanist version and the wizard version. though you could transcribe one to the other.
My DM ran it like any spell in my Wizard book was considered a "borrowed" spellbook for my Arcanist slots (and vice versa). So I could prepare Magic Missile as a Wizard from my Wizard spellbook without issue, but had to make a spellcraft check to prepare it as an Arcanist from my "Wizard" spellbook. Worked out fine. I ended up scribing a lot to double up some spells though to not worry about the checks at lower levels.

That makes sense. Since I am only taking one level of wizard, then the check to prepare those spells as an arcanist, or vice versa, will only be Spellcraft DC 16. So I can take 10 and succeed every day if my Spellcraft is at least +6.

Thanks. :)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
The Fox wrote:

I also have a arcanist/wizard multiclassing question, and I'll just tag along here. :)

I have an arcanist 4/wizard 1; can I use the same spellbook for both classes? In other words, can I prepare magic missile from that one spellbook as both an arcanist spell and a wizard spell, or do I need separate spellbooks for each class?

Follow-up question, assuming that I use one spellbook:

Do I still get to add (3 + Int bonus) spells to this spellbook when I take my first level of wizard?

Thanks in advance.

Technically the answer is yes, but I wouldn't dip into Wizard just to get some extra first level spells in my book.

Silver Crusade

LazarX wrote:
...but I wouldn't dip into Wizard just to get some extra first level spells in my book.

Nor would I. That would be silly.

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