How does the world change if everyone gets Bardic Music and Spellcasting?


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This is just my wondering- What would a game-world be like if everyone gestalts with bard- gaining Bardic Music and Bardic Spellcasting as a bard equal to their CR (Min 1). How would the world change if that was the case?


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It becomes a musical.

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Dave Justus wrote:
It becomes a musical.

"Golarion!" done to the tune of "Oklahoma!" ?


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Will saves are a much bigger deal, which is saying something.


Vagabond? wrote:
This is just my wondering- What would a game-world be like if everyone gestalts with bard- gaining Bardic Music and Bardic Spellcasting as a bard equal to their CR (Min 1). How would the world change if that was the case?

Tolkien? Is that you? But how? We saw you fall!

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If everyone is inspired... then no one is.


Archaeologists would reign supreme.

Are other archetypes and other performing classes allowed? Like Skald? Geisha? Sound Striker. It would be quite the interesting world.

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Predators that rely on poor will or reflex saves starve to death.


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Anyone with charisma lower than 11 would be considered crippled.

Sovereign Court

All battles become dance-fights.


Lanitril wrote:

Archaeologists would reign supreme.

Are other archetypes and other performing classes allowed? Like Skald? Geisha? Sound Striker. It would be quite the interesting world.

All bard archetypes but archeologist. Skald and it's archetypes are permitted.

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Vagabond? wrote:
Lanitril wrote:

Archaeologists would reign supreme.

Are other archetypes and other performing classes allowed? Like Skald? Geisha? Sound Striker. It would be quite the interesting world.

All bard archetypes but archeologist. Skald and it's archetypes are permitted.

Court Bards reign supreme then?


Charon's Little Helper wrote:
All battles become dance-fights.

Star-Lord for the win!


The entire world is a Michael Jackson video.


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Guitar-axes that magically keep shredding while you shred through your enemies would exist, which gives this AU an A+.


At least a quarter of the population can cast detect magic at will, so assume that if you're in a city, you're under such an effect.

Prestigitation is common enough that any job which can be done by prest' will be - it's that much faster than doing it by hand.

Military training will include retraining spells known to use a standard spell or two. You probably can't become a soldier if your charisma doesn't meet the required standard.

There may be enough people who know whispering wind to set up a communications network.

Diplomancy will be common enough that you'll absolutely have to fix that subsystem.


Let me assume that you simply mean that all the characters will be gestalt bards... in that case fine, no problem. Everyone will be a little bit better at skills and you an assume that the group will talk its way through a bunch of stuff, like, you know, heroes.

If you actually mean everyone on the planet knows how to perform, cast spells, and really is into their own education?... then I'm not a fan.


Trolls singing about how they're going to eat you, Dragons singing acapella version of Ride of the Valkyrie as they swoop down and incinerate towns....

Actual valkyrie singing operattas as they swoop down onto the battlefield...

It does mean that Low Charisma creatures would eventually be bred out.

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Then the Deaf would conquer the world.


Vagabond? wrote:
This is just my wondering- What would a game-world be like if everyone gestalts with bard- gaining Bardic Music and Bardic Spellcasting as a bard equal to their CR (Min 1). How would the world change if that was the case?

Rankin Bass would be happy?

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