Enora's Bonded Staff of Minor Arcana (level 4 pregen)


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Okay...how did she get this?

It is a 8,000 gp item.

If she's 4th level, at max prestige for her first 9 adventures she had 18 prestige. That is a cap of 5,250...

Sorry was trying to plan out a PFS wizard and this item on her sheet caught my eye. I was thinking "Cool! Nifty staff my wiz can get at 4th"...until I did the math. He won't have enough gp anyway even if he did somehow get around the PP cap.

It's not like she crafted it herself. She is not high enough for craft staff feat. In the end not make or break, was just wondering.

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1) the pregens have a few .. mechanical oversights If they have it, just roll with it.

2) Its bound to be on one of her chronicle sheets? She's been in 7,548 adventures....

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As a bonded item she only pays 1/2 the cost to enchant it. So for he it is only 4,000 gold. However she would need to be level 11 to take advantage of that.

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calagnar wrote:
As a bonded item she only pays 1/2 the cost to enchant it. So for he it is only 4,000 gold. However she would need to be level 11 to take advantage of that.

Somewhere in the depths of the internet I believe there is a post from campaign leadership (possibly not Mike) saying that you need to have the fame for the full price of the item even when using the bonded item "discount." Can't find it now, though.

edit:
Found it. It was in the FAQ!

Quote:

Can an Arcane Bonded Item be upgraded?

A character with the arcane bond class feature may create a bond with any item he owns, either magical or mundane, as long as the item falls within the categories permitted by the arcane bond ability (the cost for bonding with a new item still applies). If a caster later wishes to upgrade an existing bonded item, he may do so for the cost (not price) of the final item as listed in the item's statblock.

For items which can be enhanced incrementally (such as weapons or a ring of protection), the caster must meet all prerequisites for the item as outlined in the item crafting rules. For example, a nonmagical bonded dagger can be enchanted to a +1 dagger for 1,000 gp instead of the normal 2,000 gp, but the caster must be at least 5th level (a prerequisite for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat). To upgrade the item further to a +2 dagger, the caster must have a caster level of 6 or higher (three times the item's enhancement bonus).

A bonded item that is enhanced must still conform to all the campaign rules for access to and upgrading of magical items. The final and total price of the item (not the cost) is used on the Fame chart to determine whether a caster can apply such an enhancement to a bonded item.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Thanks very good to know for when I start leveling my new wizard.

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That bolded section towards the end makes me question whether it's possible to bond with an item found on a Chronicle Sheet that they otherwise normally couldn't.

Say an 11th level Wizard finds a +X Staff of Really Expensive Tastes on their Chronicle Sheet. This item out of the book would normally be too expensive to purchase, given the Wizard's Fame.

But if the Wizard possesses half that much gold, and the item is on their Chronicle Sheet (and thus "always available"), could they make it their new Bonded Item?

Shadow Lodge

Yes, because that FAQ simply states that the standard upgrading rules apply; it doesn't place additional restrictions on purchasing a brand new item.

Slightly off-topic:
What I've always wanted clarified is whether you can upgrade an item you already have into something that's on a chronicle, i.e., upgrade your +1 longsword into that +1 flaming longsword that's on your last chronicle, before you have the fame to cover the 8,315gp purchase.

While this seems to go against the concept of why you're getting access to the items (you're "buying" the specific longsword you found during the adventure), not allowing it would effectively punish players for having invested in that magic longsword they already have, forcing them to do that whole "sale for half/buy new one" thing that the Guide's upgrade rules say you never have to do (for "ease of play") if they want to take advantage of the rewards they earned.

Scarab Sages

Dr. Narsius Blote IV wrote:

That bolded section towards the end makes me question whether it's possible to bond with an item found on a Chronicle Sheet that they otherwise normally couldn't.

Say an 11th level Wizard finds a +X Staff of Really Expensive Tastes on their Chronicle Sheet. This item out of the book would normally be too expensive to purchase, given the Wizard's Fame.

But if the Wizard possesses half that much gold, and the item is on their Chronicle Sheet (and thus "always available"), could they make it their new Bonded Item?

The First section would answer that I think..

" Can an Arcane Bonded Item be upgraded?

A character with the arcane bond class feature may create a bond with any item he owns, either magical or mundane, as long as the item falls within the categories permitted by the arcane bond ability (the cost for bonding with a new item still applies)."

If the item in the chronicle sheet is able to be bonded and once you buy it off the sheet at listed price you own it so.

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Rerednaw wrote:

Okay...how did she get this?

It is a 8,000 gp item.

If she's 4th level, at max prestige for her first 9 adventures she had 18 prestige. That is a cap of 5,250...

Sorry was trying to plan out a PFS wizard and this item on her sheet caught my eye. I was thinking "Cool! Nifty staff my wiz can get at 4th"...until I did the math. He won't have enough gp anyway even if he did somehow get around the PP cap.

It's not like she crafted it herself. She is not high enough for craft staff feat. In the end not make or break, was just wondering.

She has 11 XP, and 22 Fame. Her purchase limit based on fame is 8,000 gp.

She would not be able to craft this item until 11th level, the minimum for taking Craft Staff (even though this is a bonded item, she still needs to meet the normal prerequisites for crafting the item).

That means she needed to pay the full 8,000 gp.

So she played up a couple of times early in her career.

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Dr. Narsius Blote IV wrote:

That bolded section towards the end makes me question whether it's possible to bond with an item found on a Chronicle Sheet that they otherwise normally couldn't.

Say an 11th level Wizard finds a +X Staff of Really Expensive Tastes on their Chronicle Sheet. This item out of the book would normally be too expensive to purchase, given the Wizard's Fame.

But if the Wizard possesses half that much gold, and the item is on their Chronicle Sheet (and thus "always available"), could they make it their new Bonded Item?

No. There are two ways to have a magic bonded item.

1) Buy it then bond to it.
2) Get a mundane item then upgrade it as if you had the appropriate feat.

1) Would be legal since it's on your chronicle but in your example you don't have enough money to buy it.
2) Is out due to the FAQ quoted above. Finding an item on a chronicle represents buying *that specific item* not a general class of items that you now know how to make.

Preemptive rebuttal to forthcoming counterargument:
If I find Gamin the Misforged on my chronicle sheet can I then craft my bonded sword into Gamin the Misforged? What if I find The Hypothetical Sword of Hypothesis (which is a normal +2 flaming burst longsword with a fancy name)? I can only buy THSoH off the chronicle, not any +2 flaming burst longsword. Similarly if I find something listed on my chronicle just as "+1 keen dagger" that means the Society is willing to let me buy the dagger I found and brought back even if they think I'm not normally ready for items of that power.

Edit: I realize that Fame limiting what you can craft is an artificial construct, but no more so than the Fame system for purchases as a whole. It's a part of the campaign.

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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I don't believe you can upgrade an item into a limited item on a chronicle. Even if that's not a rule, it's common sense.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Rules trump common sense.

Shadow Lodge *

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Kevin, you can't upgrade an item into the named item you mentioned, because you can't buy a broken item in the first place (there is no price for broken), so there is no valid upgrade path. However, for a different named item that didn't have that particular quirk, you could.

There's actually a long section talking about this in the "How to Upgrade Your Gear in PFS" thread stickied at the top of this forum.

If you could buy broken gear, btw, my Oracle with the Breaker Curse would waste a lot less money.

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This staff was definitely the reason why Valeros wasn't sacrificed and soul condemned to Hell at my latest table.

Thanks Enora!

Shadow Lodge 4/5

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The Fox wrote:
Rules trump common sense.

But lack of rules indicates one should use common sense to adjudicate a good ruling.

If there's an official ruling on this though, obviously that should be what is followed.

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