A means to replenish rounds of rage?

[Ambrus]

As per the title, I'm trying to flesh out my first barbarian character and I'm hunting around for a way to replenish rage rounds. Seeing as how most of a barbarians' abilities revolve largely around rage, running out of rage rounds during a long day of adventuring seems to be a significant issue. I know there's Barbarian chew, the Extra Rage feat and a few other ways to add rage rounds per day, but they aren't terribly effective or practical. There's also the Elemental Kin archetype, but setting yourself on fire before raging seems rather convoluted and odd. I'm surprised that I can't find a ready-made spell or magic item that replenishes rage; a slow burn spell, a bear-sark vest of mounting fury or an elixir of endless rage. Am I overlooking something?

[Seranov]

There's a handful of feats that can restore individual rounds of rage at a time (I know Orcs get one, but can't recall the rest offhand), but it's intentionally not easy. Rage is one of the most powerful offensive boosts a character can get, and the Barbarian is designed entirely around the concept that he can't do this always, forever.

But past a certain point, you have enough rounds of Rage to last for all the combats you'll do in a day. A decently-built Barbarian can do enough DPR to end fights pretty quickly (especially when buffed and fighting alongside his companions) in roughly 3-5 rounds, and if you started with 14 Con and are level 5, that can last you 3-5 combats a day, and that's if you're Raging for the entire duration.

[Dragonchess Player]

A skald in the party can help expand the number of "rage" rounds for barbarians (and other classes/archetypes that gain rage) with Raging Song/Inspired Rage (note the limitations, though; you still need to expend rage rounds to activate your own rage abilities, although you can "gain" other ones that the skald has selected).

Also, you should be at least a bit judicious about when to activate the barbarian's rage: For example, if the enemies are not in charge range at the start of combat (requiring a round or two of movement and/or ranged attacks), hold off on entering rage until you get close enough to attack in melee; since activating rage is a free action, you don't loose much (other than some bonus hit points) and retain a higher AC against incoming ranged attacks; additionally, not all foes should require rage to defeat. Resource management of some sort will always be a part of the game. As mentioned, once you start getting into the middle levels, you should have plenty of rage rounds for when you need it.

[Ambrus]

I get that it's a powerful ability; it just seem odd that the options for sustaining it are so limited. There are countless spells and magic items out there meant to enhance every other class ability; why ignore this one?

[Jarred Henninger]

the horc feat is calledGore Fiend

[Helcack]

They are limited as rage is wonderful. Here are some items to assist you, they are alchemical in nature: THIS TEA MAKE ME ANGRY, One round of rage/day for 8 gold? Sign me up!. For Feats there is Gore Fiend mentioned above and [Bloodrage]free rounds vs spell, friend hits negatives OR dies get 4 free rage rounds?, sundering is more rage, rage on a kill and a crit, rage on a kill or opponent to negatives, reading bad, this one is the best as if you have mounted fury you and your pet rage indefinitely, combine the last one with this one and as long as you are within 30' everyone can rage forever!

[David knott 242]

If you are careful about how you position yourself, you can squeeze a few extra rounds of rage from the Wild Rager archetype. Just be sure that the other players are aware of what happens whenever you drop a foe and try to arrange things so that you are not adjacent to any allies when you do that.

[Imbicatus]

You can also get extra rounds by drinking with the Drunken Rager archetype.

[LazarX]

Ambrus wrote:

I get that it's a powerful ability; it just seem odd that the options for sustaining it are so limited. There are countless spells and magic items out there meant to enhance every other class ability; why ignore this one?

For one, your statement is untrue. all other resource dependent abilities, arcane pool, smites, bardic performance, also have little to none in means of replenishment.

[Ambrus]

LazarX wrote:

For one, your statement is untrue. all other resource dependent abilities, arcane pool, smites, bardic performance, also have little to none in means of replenishment.

Hm. You may be right. Seems odd seeing as how there are magic items out there for everything else. I guess it's an unstated designed philosophy that class abilities shouldn't be augmented with magic.

[LazarX]

Ambrus wrote:

LazarX wrote:

For one, your statement is untrue. all other resource dependent abilities, arcane pool, smites, bardic performance, also have little to none in means of replenishment.

Hm. You may be right. Seems odd seeing as how there are magic items out there for everything else. I guess it's an unstated designed philosophy that class abilities shouldn't be augmented with magic.

The stated philosophy is that you should have to make descisions on how you expend your character resources. do I use 4 smites on this battle or save incase something bigger comes along Do I rage every single round or not? Do I use bardic performance in every round, etc.... If you have so much of a resource that choices don't have to be made, you might as well have an infinite supply.

[Taenia]

Did you see the feat Recovered Rage in the ACG?

[Quandary]

I believe if you use a Ring of Sustenance or the spell Nap Stack,
you can get a full night's rest in only 2 hours, which resets your Rage Rounds.
(I thought I remembered some other means to gain benefits of full night's rest -spell slots, but couldn't find another)

RoS does not accelerate recovery of daily spell slots, but Rage Rounds are not so disallowed,
and RR themselves state they are renewed after 8 hrs sleep, so in fact even without any special means,
you could technically use all your Rage Rounds, get 8 hrs sleep in middle of day, and use another alotment of RR,
if you can manage to sleep twice in the day, you can even do so a 3rd time in a given 24 hr period.

[Seranov]

That's likely not how it's intended to work, Quandary, though the RAW seems to allow it.

[Joey Cote]

Quandary wrote:

I believe if you use a Ring of Sustenance or the spell Nap Stack,

you can get a full night's rest in only 2 hours, which resets your Rage Rounds.
(I thought I remembered some other means to gain benefits of full night's rest -spell slots, but couldn't find another)

RoS does not accelerate recovery of daily spell slots, but Rage Rounds are not so disallowed,
and RR themselves state they are renewed after 8 hrs sleep, so in fact even without any special means,
you could technically use all your Rage Rounds, get 8 hrs sleep in middle of day, and use another alotment of RR,
if you can manage to sleep twice in the day, you can even do so a 3rd time in a given 24 hr period.

Actually, you are wrong. Look at the second sentence in the Rage description for barbarians. It says "Starting at 1st level, a barbarian can rage for a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + her Constitution modifier. At each level after 1st, she can rage for 2 additional rounds."

Note the "rage a number of rounds per day". Which means, no matter how many times you nap, you cannot exceed that number. Just like casters have to wait until their spells reset.