Aelryinth and Bandw2 you guys are WAAAAAAAAAY off topic. Maybe you should make a new thread? If you two keep this up this thread will probably get locked.
Anyway I feel like the monk could be fixed by just increasing amount of Ki, wis to hit and damage bonus=monklvl and giving one half movement speed while flurrying instead of being limited to a 5-foot step.
Yeah allowing a move and flurry would be great. Back in 3.0 there was also a "flying kick" feat to give monks a strong charge attack.
Aelryinth and Bandw2 you guys are WAAAAAAAAAY off topic. Maybe you should make a new thread? If you two keep this up this thread will probably get locked.
why? I think we're done, thread-derails aren't against forum rules and we at least try to keep it civil.
All you've done is convince me that I should only ever play neutral characters.
All you've done is convince me that I should only ever play neutral characters.
yes if not, you're obviously an outsider.
Making the argument that the monk should get additional defense on a full attack should apply to EVERY melee class.
The counter argument is that without moving his feet, the motionless monk is still as hard to land a blow on as the guy dancing around like a rabid butterfly high on White Jade Tea.
Wis is a good tradeoff for light armor. A monk starting with 15 Wis will end the game at a minimum of 26 Wis, which is +8 AC and the same as wearing leather armor. ON TOP OF THIS...he can still wear bracers, and he has unlimited dex to aC.
AC is not an issue for a monk that cares to invest in it gradually. It's not as cheap as a fighter...nor a spellcaster, for that matter. But they don't get to flit around at a 60' move all the time, either. he just has to be creative.
Wis to damage is lazy class design, and open to abuse. Just give a scaling bonus to damage by level...oh, wait, they already get that with UA. Perhaps trade out the increase in die size for additional d6's, instead. Miniature fireballs disguised as hands!
==Aelryinth
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Wis is a good tradeoff for light armor. A monk starting with 15 Wis will end the game at a minimum of 26 Wis, which is +8 AC and the same as wearing leather armor. ON TOP OF THIS...he can still wear bracers, and he has unlimited dex to aC.
You even forgot about the extra +5 from levels (1 per 4) inherent.
A level 20 dex monk has by far the best defenses in the game (at 20 their AC should at least be in the mid 50's - and that's without trying very hard), with the possible exception of a currently wild-shaped druid with Wild armor/shield.
Wis is a good tradeoff for light armor. A monk starting with 15 Wis will end the game at a minimum of 26 Wis, which is +8 AC and the same as wearing leather armor. ON TOP OF THIS...he can still wear bracers, and he has unlimited dex to aC.
You even forgot about the extra +5 from levels (1 per 4) inherent.
A level 20 dex monk has by far the best defenses in the game (at 20 their AC should at least be in the mid 50's - and that's without trying very hard), with the possible exception of a currently wild-shaped druid with Wild armor/shield.
I didn't forget about it, my post was a reply.
The scaling AC by level was specifically put in there because Monks don't get a shield.
But yeah, AC is not a problem for the monk who builds it carefully, at all.
==Aelryinth
Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists make the Defense monk very happy :P
a +1 agile temple sword with effortless lace makes the defence monk truely happy.
And lawful societies are ruled by strong lawmen, or oligarchies, or religious dictatorships.
Law ain't all that. ; )
I think that, as often happens in alignment discussions, people are making the mistake of assuming that only the most extreme imaginable case of the alignment applies. Obviously a society of total law or total chaos would be completely unworkable, but if you that only the most extreme interpretation applies that 99% of societies are neutral.
I think that, as often happens in alignment discussions, people are making the mistake of assuming that only the most extreme imaginable case of the alignment applies. Obviously a society of total law or total chaos would be completely unworkable, but if you that only the most extreme interpretation applies that 99% of societies are neutral.
That's what the Shin Megami Tensei rule is for. Law and Chaos are out to screw you, so kill them first. By killing God and the Devil, I guess.
Chaos tends to be more spirit then wording. law tends to devolve into the wording since twisting rules becomes part of a lawful society for people seeking advantage.
Lawful societies can equally be monarchies or representative governments. Chaotic societies tend to devolve to those who are strong taking the lead, and either making their fellows obey, leave, or follow their example. without strength holding things together/attracting people, chaotic societies rapidly fall apart over competing visions.
==Aelryinth
impossibleI think that, as often happens in alignment discussions, people are making the mistake of assuming that only the most extreme imaginable case of the alignment applies. Obviously a society of total law or total chaos would be completely unworkable, but if you that only the most extreme interpretation applies that 99% of societies are neutral.That's what the Shin Megami Tensei rule is for. Law and Chaos are out to screw you, so kill them first. By killing God and the Devil, I guess.
And then when you try to meet in the middle, you find out that neutrality is just as bad.
My biggest issue with Unchained Monk is Wholeness of Body ability.
2 Ki points, as a standard action to heal as a barely stronger CLW. This ability was insult with the base Pathfinder monk, mediocre in 3.0 and 3.5, and working as intended in AD&D 2nd edition (implying anything in the 2nd edition was working as intended after all), it was copy of Paladin Lay on Hands ability.
So more then 10 years and 4 editions later, this ability is still mediocre, while Paladin gained useful Lay on Hand, usable as a swift action, and further empowered with mercies.
Was making this ability cost 1 Ki point and make it usable as a standard action asking too much for such overpowered class as monk?