Pact Wizard loopholes / familiars?


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Scarab Sages

So, under normal circumstances things like the Div Doru are not legal choices for Improved Familiar.

However, seeing as there are no alignment requirements for Pact Wizards and they don't choose a familiar, they choose a patron type. What happens if a Pact Wizard chooses "Div" for his familiar's patron and then hits level 7 in PFS?

Does this archetype legally get around the restrictions on Improved Familiar since the player is not choosing that familiar specifically or is there a ruling somewhere that lists which types are legal choices for Pact Wizard?

Pact Wizard seems to get around literally every other restriction for Improved Familiar when the familiar transforms at level 7. And the intent seems to be that yes, you can get a horrible CE familiar even if you're good. It will just try to corrupt you and encourage you to do bad things (which you won't do in PFS since evil acts can get your character taken away).

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Pact (Ex)

A pact wizard enters into a bargain with an extraplanar being in order to gain increased wizardly powers. At 1st level, he selects a patron belonging to one specific subtype of outsider for which there exists an improved familiar option (such as devil or azata). The pact wizard can select a subtype of outsider even with a diametrically opposed alignment; in this case, the patron being offers the pact in an attempt to tempt or redeem the pact wizard. A pact wizard whose alignment shifts away from the chosen outsider subtype, who grossly abuses his familiar or any outsider of the chosen subtype, or who commits egregious acts against the alignment of the patron loses all the benefits of this archetype (but keeps the additional opposition school) until he receives an atonement.

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True Form (Ex)

At 7th level, a pact wizard's familiar reveals its true form, automatically transforming into an outsider improved familiar of the chosen subtype.

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I'd say it got around the alignment restrictions but not the additional resources restrictions. If a familiar isn't allowed then it isn't allowed for some reason and you can't get around that.

The alignment restriction loopholes aren't anything new: you can be a LN CN TN character with a LE CE NE familiar.

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Yeah. If the familiar isn't legal based on the additional resources, then there is no way to get around it. It will never be a legal option.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

BNW, there are a few familiars (I forget which ones) that say in the source that provides them that they only serve mages whose alignment is an exact match.

Div, Doru wrote:


A neutral evil spellcaster of at least 7th level who takes the Improved Familiar feat can select a doru as a familiar.

but yes, AR does trump that.

That said, it would mean your chaotic Nuetral wizard could get a lyrakin (which stipulates that you have to be CG to get it.)

It would also let you take a Zoog, which normally requires you to be chaotic evil oops, not an outsider, never mind.

Okay, the only one I can find is the Cythnigot Qlippoth, which usually requires you to be Chaotic Evil

Scarab Sages

Lab_Rat wrote:
Yeah. If the familiar isn't legal based on the additional resources, then there is no way to get around it. It will never be a legal option.

Looking at the wording again, you're right.

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one specific subtype of outsider for which there exists an improved familiar option (such as devil or azata).

In PFS specifically there does not "exist" an improved familiar option for Div. AR removes it from PFS. I was just looking at this the wrong way.

Thanks for the clarification everyone. :)

I wanted something super creepy for my necromancer but might just have to go with the Inevitable even though it's less thematically appropriate. :/

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Familiar: Death is inevitable!
Necromancer: Not any more!

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Depending on your necromancers focus, you could go with psychopomp?

Scarab Sages

FLite wrote:
Depending on your necromancers focus, you could go with psychopomp?

Let's just say that it is "putting it lightly" to state that my necromancer wantonly blasphemes Pharasma on a regular basis.

I am not sure what a psychopomp would even do if I had one as a familiar. lol

Scarab Sages

Sinistrad wrote:
FLite wrote:
Depending on your necromancers focus, you could go with psychopomp?

Let's just say that it is "putting it lightly" to state that my necromancer wantonly blasphemes Pharasma on a regular basis.

I am not sure what a psychopomp would even do if I had one as a familiar. lol

Try to kill you on a daily basis, for badmouthing it's true master?

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

In the nosoi entry in AP #47, it says that they leave a master who creates or permanently becomes undead. ^_^

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

WiseWolfOfYoitsu wrote:
Sinistrad wrote:
FLite wrote:
Depending on your necromancers focus, you could go with psychopomp?

Let's just say that it is "putting it lightly" to state that my necromancer wantonly blasphemes Pharasma on a regular basis.

I am not sure what a psychopomp would even do if I had one as a familiar. lol

Try to kill you on a daily basis, for badmouthing it's true master?

Lead you to the true and proper path.

Hide your spell book till you decide to be nice.

(I don't think he meant blaspheme in the sense of calling her names, so much as raising undead abominations.)

Scarab Sages

FLite wrote:
WiseWolfOfYoitsu wrote:
Sinistrad wrote:
FLite wrote:
Depending on your necromancers focus, you could go with psychopomp?

Let's just say that it is "putting it lightly" to state that my necromancer wantonly blasphemes Pharasma on a regular basis.

I am not sure what a psychopomp would even do if I had one as a familiar. lol

Try to kill you on a daily basis, for badmouthing it's true master?

Lead you to the true and proper path.

Hide your spell book till you decide to be nice.

(I don't think he meant blaspheme in the sense of calling her names, so much as raising undead abominations.)

Sinistrad also badmouths her from time to time. It's rather funny to think of what would happen if he happened upon a psychopomp...

Scarab Sages

I ran with Hoshi once. THAT was interesting. She would not give me a heightened Continual Flame... *sniff*

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