A player readies an action of "When that ogre (which he can see) runs up to me I am going to hit it".
The ogre in question tries to bull rush the player, which provokes an attack of opportunity.
Would the player take their attack of oportunity immeditaly followed by an attack from their readied action?
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I would disagree with you Joe, based on a few possible situations/breakdowns.
First, the Order of Operations side:
I ready for the enemy to be in range (make it medium for simplicity of the situation).
The enemy moves into range - I immediately take my readied action, attacking and shifting my initiative.
The enemy continues its' turn/action - a bull rush attempt.
Since my actions have resolved and I am in standard initiative status, this provokes.
To throw a different situation in:
I have a reach weapon and improved unarmed (allowing me to attack at 5 and 10 feet). I ready to attack.
The enemy moves to 10 feet - I take my ready.
The enemy continues, attempts the bull rush while adjacent, after moving 5 more feet. This is now clearly a second situation from the readied action - I kick it as an AoO.
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No. You get your readied action only.
In essence, the player readied an aoo. You do not get to take an aoo on top of a readied action.
What? No. Absolutely not.
The rules allow you to take an attack of opportunity when the ogre provokes. They also allow you to ready an action to attack when he gets in range. Nothing in the rules for AoOs or readying actions says or even suggests that they cannot happen one right after the other.
The only problem with the OP's scenario is that the readied attack goes off first, because the ogre ran up to him before he started the bull rush. But after that readied action resolves, there's nothing preventing him from taking an AoO as normal.
Your readied action allows you to effectively take your standard action later. It is in addition to AoOs.
I see no reason to believe you lose the ability to make AoOs just because you have a readied action in the wait.
Joe is definitely incorrect. Having or taking an attack of opportunity has nothing to do with readied actions, at least not in this edition. In 4e it might. But not in Pathfinder. All requirements of the readied action exist, so it triggers. All requirements for an AOO exist, so it triggers. They have nothing to do with each other.
I'm fairly certain that Keith is correct on the order, though that's a largely logical inference. Since the readied action is set to trigger as soon as the creature is within reach, and the creature must be within reach before executing their bullrush, then logically, the readied action would trigger before the attack of opportunity.
To add a bit to the confusion....
If the readied action kills the orge when it moves into range for the bull rush does the bull rush attack still occur?
I was under the assumption that is the ogre was attempting to bull rush (which is part of a charge action) and was killed by the AOO the bull rush attack still occurs and the PC could be pushed back. Is that incorrect?
Sorry for the questions. This is a real weak spot in my game knowledge.
If the attacker is killed prior to rolling the attack then it cannot occur and if the attack does not occur then you cannot have the effects of the attack happen. i.e. no push back.
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A player readies an action of "When that ogre (which he can see) runs up to me I am going to hit it".
The ogre in question tries to bull rush the player, which provokes an attack of opportunity.
Would the player take their attack of oportunity immeditaly followed by an attack from their readied action?
To further agree with everyone else (minus Joe).
Keith is right in that your readied action will specifically go off first and your Attack of Opportunity will go off second.
Joe is definitely incorrect. Having or taking an attack of opportunity has nothing to do with readied actions, at least not in this edition. In 4e it might.
Nope. 4e would give you the readied action and the AoO. You could possibly throw in an immediate action too.
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I see no reason to believe you lose the ability to make AoOs just because you have a readied action in the wait.
Especially since there are readied actions that can provoke an AoO from you.
Remove the Reach, and add Vicious Stomp, and the tripper gets two AoOs from his Ready...