Withdrawing while mounted


Rules Questions


Hi everybody.

Does a withdraw full-round-action work while being mounted? And how does it work.

So far from the combat section i could figure out that you and your mount share the same initiave, but not share your actions. (if my mount moves, i still have my move-action).
Also we learn that we share the mounts space.

So my problems with withdrawing:

1: Since me and my mount dont share actions, it could be possible to let the mount do a withdraw. while i go for a full(ranged)attack.
that wouldnt even provoke attacks of opportunity since the attacks are made in the middle of the movement (10 squares away from the threat).
CRB:
"In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally."

2: A technical one. Lets say im riding my horse and want to withdraw from a foe with natural range 10 ft (like trolls). so both squares im in are threatened. Withdraw allows me to treat my starting square as not threatened. Now i have a Problem: i have 2 starting squares.
If i would say both dont count as threatened i can get away from a 10ft reach foe without taking AoO in 1 single round, while i usually need 2 rounds.

3: Balancing overall. At the price of 110 (light horse, ct) i may do a withdraw and still have all actions left allowing me for to do any fullround action. And the only requirement would be a dc5 ride check it i want to use both Hands for my actions? seems not correct to me, but i cant find sth else. Did i miss something or does this just require a houserule.

PS: i know there is an animal trick called "down" but i dont think that applies on mounted animals, since you ride them and do ride checks to guide the animal in combate (elsewise no fighter could ever do mounted combat if it would require him a move Action with a dc 15 handle animal check)


Baumfluch wrote:

Hi everybody.

Does a withdraw full-round-action work while being mounted? And how does it work.

So far from the combat section i could figure out that you and your mount share the same initiave, but not share your actions. (if my mount moves, i still have my move-action).
Also we learn that we share the mounts space.

So my problems with withdrawing:

1: Since me and my mount dont share actions, it could be possible to let the mount do a withdraw. while i go for a full(ranged)attack.
that wouldnt even provoke attacks of opportunity since the attacks are made in the middle of the movement (10 squares away from the threat).
CRB:
"In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally."

2: A technical one. Lets say im riding my horse and want to withdraw from a foe with natural range 10 ft (like trolls). so both squares im in are threatened. Withdraw allows me to treat my starting square as not threatened. Now i have a Problem: i have 2 starting squares.
If i would say both dont count as threatened i can get away from a 10ft reach foe without taking AoO in 1 single round, while i usually need 2 rounds.

3: Balancing overall. At the price of 110 (light horse, ct) i may do a withdraw and still have all actions left allowing me for to do any fullround action. And the only requirement would be a dc5 ride check it i want to use both Hands for my actions? seems not correct to me, but i cant find sth else. Did i miss something or does this just require a houserule.

PS: i know there is an animal trick called "down" but i dont think that applies on mounted animals, since you ride them and do ride checks to guide the animal in combate (elsewise no fighter could ever do mounted combat if it would require him a move Action with a dc 15 handle animal check)

The rules generally tend to lump your actions together as Mount and Rider. For example, if you were to use the Charge action, not only would the Mount receive the benefits and penalties of Charge, but since you are the Rider and follow what the Mount does, both in movement and actual actions, you would be forced to Charge as well, and take the benefits and penalties associated with it also. Of course, if you could get Pounce one way or another, it would be a truly terrifying action.

The same ruling there can easily apply to things like Withdraw, in that you can't take actions separate from the Mount. One could argue that you can, since most people believe Charge is called out as a specific exemption of ability, but the result is you don't receive the benefits and penalties of the action. In the case of Withdraw, you would provoke 2 attacks of opportunity, while the Mount would only provoke 1, assuming natural reach of 10 feet.


"The rules generally tend to lump your actions together as Mount and Rider."

for movement they actually say that you do not share the action and specificly allow you to do full round actions, while your mount is moving.

still a nice idea comparing it with the mounted Charge, since there is already an entry in the FAQ.
So if i got you right, i didnt miss any rule. The rulebook is just not precise enought to give a clear solution to such situations. i think we will need to find a houserule in that case.

thx already

Liberty's Edge

I would allow a rider to use the movement of his withdrawing mount as part of his taking the withdraw action, and thus evade the AoOs as if he was the same creature as his mount.

This is the only sane option to use IMO.

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