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Dear Paizo, when coming up with Iconics for Hell's Vengeance, please remember even Seltyiel is a fanboy of these guys.
A Chaotic Evil Antipaladin is kind of a given, but how about some atypical ideas for cool evil iconics for Hell's Vengeance:
Lawful Evil Urban Druid
Lawful Evil Court Bard
Chaotic Evil Oracle (prophet of the "end times")
A chaotic evil antipaladin would be hard to use in effectively a lawful evil campaign. Maybe they'll be licensing the Lord of Darkness archetype from the publishers of the Way of the Wicked?
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I'd bet we get Seltiyel, one of the new Occult Adventures Iconics if any of them are Evil, and then some of the Neutral Iconics. After all, we've gotten Neutral Iconics in the Good APs, why not this one?
According to James Jacob in ask thread, Hell's Vengeance won't feature Seltiyel or any other class iconic. Instead goal is to have a new evil "iconic" for each of six covers, so two for each evil alignment.
I guess that makes it rather obvious that at least one of them is anti paladin(but apparently not same as generic anti paladin from advenced player's book), I wonder what rest of them are <_<
They should have me. Sure, this pic may have appeared sometime before (my avatar) but hey, there's more than just one side of me!
Plus, they could call me something like...Lord Greywolf or maybe even the Grey Wolf Lord or something...and being this sort of evil Grey Black Wolf Character...I'm certain I'd qualify for some sort of evil being!!!
What!?
They've already made up their minds and decided who the iconics should be!?
I never even stood a chance!?
Grrrr....
[so those who don't knows, can knows, this post is somewhat comedic...sooos...donts be taking it too seriously]
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According to James Jacob in ask thread, Hell's Vengeance won't feature Seltiyel or any other class iconic. Instead goal is to have a new evil "iconic" for each of six covers, so two for each evil alignment.
I guess that makes it rather obvious that at least one of them is anti paladin(but apparently not same as generic anti paladin from advenced player's book), I wonder what rest of them are <_<
Awesome! That sounds like a lot of fun, actually. :)
I really need to get up to date on that thread...
Hmm. Six new iconics, six evil gods amongst the Big 20. Let's assume each baddie worships one of the main evil gods.
Asmodeus: Probably a Cleric, probably positioned as leader. Bard or Inquisitor would be the other obvious choices.
Zon-Kuthon: Monk, maybe Inquisitor.
Norgorber: Poisons, secrets... Investigator. Alchemist, Bard and Rogue are solid second choices.
Urgathoa: Wizard (Necromancer).
Lamashtu: Ranger or Summoner.
Rovagug: Antipaladin, Barbarian or Bloodrager.
I highly doubt we'll see worshipers of Rovagug, or even Lamashtu. We're more likely to see a CE worshiper of an NE deity, or some undecided types. ^_^
What about, say, an antipaladin of Calistria or Gorum?
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I highly doubt we'll see worshipers of Rovagug, or even Lamashtu. We're more likely to see a CE worshiper of an NE deity, or some undecided types. ^_^What about, say, an antipaladin of Calistria or Gorum?
I'd love to see either of those.
They don't often have one-step-away worshipers, who are supposed to be fairly rare; however, PC/Iconic types would be a fine place to feature someone like that. ^_^
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Asmodeus alternatives: (a) Sister of the Golden Erinyes, female Unchained Monk, Hamatulatsu Style; (b) LE "Anti-paladin of Tyranny", aka "The Real Hellknight".
Or just an actual Hellknight.
Some options from Nidal:
NE Druid of Uskwood
NE shadowcaller (summoner or illusionist?)
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I would feel so bad for Stabby Bob the "iconic" antipaladin if he doesn't get his day in the sun during this adventure path.
...Well, as bad as you can feel for people that don't actually exist, and would probably be worse than Jack the Ripper if they did.
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Or just an actual Hellknight.
Only if the Hellknight in question is one of the awesome 15 level PrC ones. The newer versions I find .. meh.
Are we going to get Mini (or Full!) write ups for the Evil Iconics? Or are they more like...art placeholders?
Or just an actual Hellknight.Only if the Hellknight in question is one of the awesome 15 level PrC ones. The newer versions I find .. meh.
I know James Jacob already said no, but I still really would like to see the LE "Hell-adin" / Hellknight as a full class, even if as a mere Archetype of the CE Antipaladin.
To be fair all Halflings, in their own way, are all slaves to Cheliax.
Really?
I know James Jacob already said no, but I still really would like to see the LE "Hell-adin" / Hellknight as a full class, even if as a mere Archetype of the CE Antipaladin.Or just an actual Hellknight.Only if the Hellknight in question is one of the awesome 15 level PrC ones. The newer versions I find .. meh.
That's what I'm hoping for.
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Are we going to get Mini (or Full!) write ups for the Evil Iconics? Or are they more like...art placeholders?
Each of these evil quasi-iconics will get a two-page entry like how we treat the significant NPCs in an AP volume. There is a good chance that we'll also do a "Meet the Villains" blog for each of them as well, but that isn't nailed down at the moment. A lot can change in 8–9 months.
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There is no way one of the Secret Six here isn't a Hellknight.
It's happening. ^_^
Secret Six? What class is Bane?
Secret Six? What class is Bane?There is no way one of the Secret Six here isn't a Hellknight.
It's happening. ^_^
Alchemist/Master Chymist. Gestalt Brawler optional. :D
I highly doubt we'll see worshipers of Rovagug, or even Lamashtu. We're more likely to see a CE worshiper of an NE deity, or some undecided types. ^_^What about, say, an antipaladin of Calistria or Gorum?
From what I gather of Hell's Vengeance, I'm not sure how that would work, if the PCs are supposed to be on the LE side of Cheliax, where the worship of chaotic deities is illegal, and I think antipaladins are close enough to be in trouble. That said, I love the idea. The PC I tentatively have in mind for Hell's Rebels is a very sneaky CG warpriest of Calistria, sowing dissent wherever she goes.
Secret Six? What class is Bane?
Catman: Hunter
Bane: BrawlerScandal Savage: Fighter (Unbreakable template)
Deadshot: Slayer
Ragdoll: Rogue Acrobat
Jeannette: Banshee, probably with levels of fighter or bloodrager
Alchemist/Master Chymist. Gestalt Brawler optional. :D
Oooh, crap. Yes. He's got to have some kind of mutagen (I forgot, since I only really knew Bane from Secret Six and he didn't use it much there.) Maybe Mutagenic Mauler?
Secret Six? What class is Bane?Catman: Hunter
Bane: Brawler
Scandal Savage: Fighter (Unbreakable template)
Deadshot: Slayer
Ragdoll: Rogue Acrobat
Jeannette: Banshee, probably with levels of fighter or bloodragerAlchemist/Master Chymist. Gestalt Brawler optional. :DOooh, crap. Yes. He's got to have some kind of mutagen (I forgot, since I only really knew Bane from Secret Six and he didn't use it much there.) Maybe Mutagenic Mauler?
I'd forgotten about that one - sounds pretty spot-on to me.
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Each of these evil quasi-iconics will get a two-page entry like how we treat the significant NPCs in an AP volume.
...does that mean that they won't actually appear in the adventure (just the art) but they still eat up a two-pager that could be used to feature an actual NPC that appears?
Or will the iconics actually be NPCs in the adventure as well?
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Each of these evil quasi-iconics will get a two-page entry like how we treat the significant NPCs in an AP volume....does that mean that they won't actually appear in the adventure (just the art) but they still eat up a two-pager that could be used to feature an actual NPC that appears?
Or will the iconics actually be NPCs in the adventure as well?
To be fair, if someone has no intention of running adventures for evil PCs, then a two page spread of the iconic art is just the same as a regular villain to such a subscriber. They could still recycle them into their own adventures. So while that would make the evil adventure two pages less useful to those who run it, it increases the count of useful pages for someone who gets the book for the non-adventure content these 6 months.
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Each of these evil quasi-iconics will get a two-page entry like how we treat the significant NPCs in an AP volume....does that mean that they won't actually appear in the adventure (just the art) but they still eat up a two-pager that could be used to feature an actual NPC that appears?
Or will the iconics actually be NPCs in the adventure as well?
That's exactly what it means. With the exception of "eat up a two-pager that could be used to feature an actual NPC." They WILL be of use in the AP for the GM to use as bonus NPCs, replacement PCs in mid-game if a PC dies, or other uses.
We'll make sure the pages are well-spent. Turns out we've got over a hundred volumes of APs by this point of practice making that happen.
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Hmm. Six new iconics, six evil gods amongst the Big 20. Let's assume each baddie worships one of the main evil gods.
Asmodeus: Probably a Cleric, probably positioned as leader. Bard or Inquisitor would be the other obvious choices.
Zon-Kuthon: Monk, maybe Inquisitor.
Norgorber: Poisons, secrets... Investigator. Alchemist, Bard and Rogue are solid second choices.
Urgathoa: Wizard (Necromancer).
Lamashtu: Ranger or Summoner.
Rovagug: Antipaladin, Barbarian or Bloodrager.
Norgorber with his four aspects is great for this, because he's well-suited to rogues (Gray Master), alchemists (Blackfingers), bards (Reaper of Reputation) or barbarians (Father Skinsaw), as well as various other options like investigators or inquisitors.
The others feel more tightly focused, although it's always fun to break out of the clichés and do stuff like 'Ergoran Helltamer Druid of Asmodeus' or whatever.