Do Items In Extradimensional Spaces Encumber You?


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The Scabbard of Many Blades is much like an Efficient Quiver for melee weapons. However, it doesn't say that it takes away the weight of what's placed in it like the Efficient Quiver does. Do extradimensional spaces eliminate weight themselves, or will I still have to keep an eye on the weight I put in there?

Grand Lodge

Since its an extra-dimensional space, meaning one that is not in this dimension, I would say that it wouldn't. I don't think a bag of holding or handy haversack count towards encumbrance when putting items in there.


Handy Haversack: "Even when so filled, the backpack always weighs only 5 pounds."

Bag of Holding: "Regardless of what is put into the bag, it weighs a fixed Amount. This weight, and the limits in weight and volume of the bag's contents, depend on the bag's type..."

Efficient Quiver: "The efficient quiver weighs the same no matter what's placed inside it."

Unfortunately, the Scabbard of Many Blades has no language like this, hence why I asked.

Liberty's Edge

It doesn't specifically 'say' that it negates the weight, but as a DM I would hand wave it and 'assume' it does.

RAW = no
RAI = probably, and what's the big deal if it does? :)


K-kun the Insane wrote:
The Scabbard of Many Blades is much like an Efficient Quiver for melee weapons. However, it doesn't say that it takes away the weight of what's placed in it like the Efficient Quiver does. Do extradimensional spaces eliminate weight themselves, or will I still have to keep an eye on the weight I put in there?

The item uses the Secret Chest spell. That places items in the Ethereal Plane which has the No Gravity trait. It is reasonable to assume objects within such a space have no weight.

Historically, non-dimensional spaces were in the Astral, which is a subjective directional gravity, which in turn is no-gravity for objects.

While RAW is silent, with three similar items being no weight, RAI is clearly no weight.

/cevah

Sovereign Court

Maybe they just felt that with so many similar items explaining the no weight thing, they could use the space elsewhere.


I also asked this on the Manitoba Pathfinder Lodge Facebook group and got the following response:

Manitoban Venture Captain wrote:
Only if the item description says it does.

As this comes from the top, this is the ruling I'll have to go with. Ah well, I just upgraded from MW Agile Breastplate to +1 Mithral Agile Breastplate, so I've got an extra 12.5 lbs to work with and I was easily in my Light Load before that.


You could just use one of the other three items.
Or at least one of the first two, as I could see the rules-lawyering of PFS (which this seems to be for) might disallow the quiver for melee weapons.


I already have an Efficient Quiver on this character, but I still plan on getting the Scabbard of Many Blades for her as well. Still useful even if it doesn't reduce weight.

Besides, Ionna is smart enough to not put sharp/pointy weapons into a bag of holding or a handy haversack.


K-kun the Insane: I feel the need to point out that it doesn't matter how high you go in PFS that no ruling anyone gives is consider written in stone. Any PFS GM is welcome to interpret such rules however they wish to do so at their table. If it is left ambiguous in the rules they are all welcome to make their own ruling.

The only things that are set in stone rules wise in PFS are explicit rules in the books, errata and FAQ. Developer postings are to be strongly considered by are also not a hard rule.

That being said, without a Dev post on these boards the best I can give you is "expect table variation". In fact, unfortunately, even with such a post you are likely to receive the same response.


The item specifically creates am extra dimensional space.

The Magic section has general rules for extra dimensional spaces. It doesn't say you aren't encumbered but it does sat objects in extra dimensional spaces exist on a separate small pocket plane.

I don't see how you are encumbered by something that is on a different plane than you. Even if carrying the "door" with you.


K-kun the Insane wrote:

I also asked this on the Manitoba Pathfinder Lodge Facebook group and got the following response:

Manitoban Venture Captain wrote:
Only if the item description says it does.
As this comes from the top, this is the ruling I'll have to go with. Ah well, I just upgraded from MW Agile Breastplate to +1 Mithral Agile Breastplate, so I've got an extra 12.5 lbs to work with and I was easily in my Light Load before that.

That's interesting, because if I recall correctly, a corpse-ferrying bag makes no mention of it ignoring the weight of it's contents, it's just presumed because it's written in a section talking about modified bags of holding.

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