Tengu ~ Swordtrained Racial Question


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I am creating a Tengu Unchained Rogue and had a question regarding what is available with the Swordtrained racial trait.

It reads:
Swordtrained: Tengus are trained from birth in swordplay, and as a result are automatically proficient with swordlike weapons (including bastard swords, daggers, elven curve blades, falchions, greatswords, kukris, longswords, punching daggers, rapiers, scimitars, short swords, and two-bladed swords).

So they are automatically proficient with swordlike weapons and I wanted to verify if this weapon is an option for PFS play as well.

Sawtooth sabre
Price 35 gp
Type exotic
The signature weapon of certain assassin cults, the sawtooth sabre is a cruelly efficient weapon. You may use a sawtooth sabre as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions identically to a longsword). If you have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtooth sabre) feat, for the purpose of two-weapon fighting you can treat it as a light melee weapon; for all other purposes it is a one-handed melee weapon.


Yep.


yups, as far as I know it's good.


Yes, it's a legal weapon for PFS. However, it's not a weapon that can be finessed. So keep in mind that finesse training would not apply.

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Artoo wrote:
Yes, it's a legal weapon for PFS. However, it's not a weapon that can be finessed. So keep in mind that finesse training would not apply.

Unless you take Slashing Grace and a dip into Swashbuckler, that is. But keep in mind the Unchained Rogue's Dex-to-damage will be halved on the off-hand.

Sczarni

I would think a sabre qualifies as "swordlike".

Scarab Sages

Wakizashi will be better for a tengu TWfer than Sawtooth sabers. The 18-20 crit range is better than the +1 average damage on a d8.


Imbicatus wrote:
Wakizashi will be better for a tengu TWfer than Sawtooth sabers. The 18-20 crit range is better than the +1 average damage on a d8.

In general that is not true. That +1 applies on all hits, not just the 5-7% that will be crits. You have to have significant static damage to make up for the 90+% of the time that you are not critting.

Scarab Sages

An 18-20 threat range weapon will crit more than 5-7% of the time, especially once you add keen/improved critical. The break even point is low, and easy to reach with Dex to Damage. Of course, since sneak attack is not multiplied on crit, it's not quite a big of difference on a rogue.


Imbicatus wrote:
An 18-20 threat range weapon will crit more than 5-7% of the time, especially once you add keen/improved critical. The break even point is low, and easy to reach with Dex to Damage. Of course, since sneak attack is not multiplied on crit, it's not quite a big of difference on a rogue.

You threaten 15% of the time. Generally you will have approximately a 50% confirmation rate. That is a 7.5% crit rate. Now you have to factor in all of the negated crits, whether from Fortification or racial immunity. Sure Improved Crit or Keen double those numbers, but by the time you can get them the defenses against crits have increased too.

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