Alain's Recharge feat


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"At the end of your turn, you may recharge any number of weapons."

So Alain uses a longs word to fight the Worm Demon. He discards to add an additional d6. Does that feat allow him to recharge th long sword instead of discarding it?

Guessing no but wanted to doubl check

Thanks in advance for the wisdom +2,

Ben and lil' Abby


No. It lets him keep his hand from getting full of weapons when he resets at the end of the turn. It doesn't change how he plays the weapon.


Yes, what Hawkmoon said. When a power talks about doing stuff with cards (be it recharge, bury, or anything to specific cards), it's assuming that they come from your hand unless stated otherwise. For example, if you could use that power in that way, it would say "recharge any number of weapons from your discard pile."

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Rulebook wrote:
If you are instructed to play, reveal, display, discard, recharge, bury, banish, or otherwise manipulate a card, that card must come from your hand unless otherwise specified.

Silver Crusade

Sorry for the necro, but I had an additional question on this. Does Alain recharge the weapons before or after he resets his hand?


It would be before. It is an "end of the turn" effect, so it happens prior to resetting your hand during the "end your turn" step.

Silver Crusade

Okay, awesome. That's what I thought, but the player was playing the other way, and I was not 100% sure. Thanks!


The nice thing about "Reset your hand" not being part of the turn anymore, is that these kinds of powers can simply happen "at the end of your turn.

WotR Rulebook p9 wrote:
End Your Turn: First, apply any effects that happen at the end of the turn. While you do this, unless a power directed you to end your turn, you may play cards and use powers. If your number of mythic charges is greater than the scenario’s adventure deck number, discard any charges in excess of that number. Then, reset your hand (see Reset Your Hand on page 14). When you’re done, the turn passes to the player on your left.


Sorry for the necro of the necro...

I'm pretty sure "or" was defined somewhere but I forgot the final ruling.

When Alain's power is upgraded to "weapons or allies or items" is he limited to only one of the three categories, or can he do any amount of each (exclusive or inclusive "or")?


Sathar wrote:

Sorry for the necro of the necro...

I'm pretty sure "or" was defined somewhere but I forgot the final ruling.

When Alain's power is upgraded to "weapons or allies or items" is he limited to only one of the three categories, or can he do any amount of each (exclusive or inclusive "or")?

You're probably remembering this:

• If you are instructed to succeed at a check or do a thing, you
must attempt the check; if you fail, you must do that thing.
• If you are instructed to either attempt a check or do something
else, choose one of those options.
• If you are presented with 2 or more options, none of which
require a check, you may choose any of those options.

IMHO, Allain's power is NOT a case of that last bulletpoint; the power upgrade is inclusive, and you may recharge any number of cards across all 3 categories. I don't have any proof, other than the feeling that there've been similarly worded powers that work like that, but I can't point to anything specific atm. Also, from a wording perspective, I believe Paizo would come up with something a bit more wordy if they wanted the exclusive option. (In my ideal world of non-native English understanding, the inclusive wording would be "...any number of weapons ([], allies and items)." But there's a concern then we would have questions "Do I need to recharge at least 1 card of each type to use this power?" - or at least that's my take from a Paizo answer in a similar "inclusive/exclusive OR" thread, that I can't currently find; maybe it was about RotR Seelah's scouting power...)


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For reference: the Playing Seelah thread where they talk about "or" and "and" always being inclusive and Mike Selinker's post on BGG quoted in it (but not directly linked).

It's nice that they avoided using "and/or" all over the place. The powers are wordy enough already. :)


Thanks!

It's remarkably challenging to use a modern search engine to find just the word "or" :)

Lone Shark Games

True story: The time I had to search every card for the word "or" and catalogue them was the time I least liked my job.

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