Koshimo |
I am about to start a level one home game, and trying to pick a race.
I am having the discussion/argument with my friend that aasimar was +1 LA in 3.5 and is a pretty standard playable race is Pathfinder (even if its on the upper end of power)
so i went into the 3.5 arena to find something that would fit my character a little better and thought of the Draconic Template which is also +1 LA in 3.5
My friends argument is that its not an even transition because Draconic is a template that i can put on human for example while aasimar is limited to itself.
so my question is putting your GM's Cap on would you say they were both +1 LA from 3.5 so are equal for character creation or because of pathfinder race points and everything else they should not be considered equal.
(also I am sorry if this is in the wrong section i couldnt really tell where this belonged)
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Koshimo |
honestly its because the character im trying to make is insanely MAD
Slayer Warpriest not wanting to dump cha in order to use divine protection so a draconic human getting +2 to 4 stats, and the bonus feat would be really appealing
the base starting stats for the game are already really high 18,17,16,15,15,12
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Koshimo |
thats what i do
honestly i enjoy the game for the numbers aspect im not the biggest rollplayer i can get into it when i need to but i get significantly more enjoyment from putting together an awesome character than the background of it.
that being said i hate full casters i dont dive into obscure rules and combos or archetypes to get every last drop as long as im hard to hit/kill and i hit hard im usually pretty happy
pretty much every game ive ever played ive been human for the extra feat i don't usually use high LA stuff
Vagabond? |
My personal take on the subject: Yeah, most races are significantly stronger. So, with MOST templates, I'd reduce the LA by one. However, if I may point out that Draconic isn't quite like most templates- As such, it shouldn't quite be treated like one. So you shouldn't apply it to a race- My proposed alternative is, if you decide to apply it to a race, is to negate most of your other class features. If you make it as a race, then it's RP is thus:
+1 natural armor (RP 2)
Darkvision 60 (RP 2)
Low light vision (1 RP)
Claws (2 RP)
+2 bonus to Intimidate and Perception (4 RP)
Flexible Ability scores: (2 RP)
+4 bonus to sleep effects: Eh, on par with Immunity to sleep, so I'd say 1 RP.
So that makes Draconic, as a RACE rather than a template, have a RP of 12 RP. 14 if it's applied like a template.
Yeah. it's a fairly decent amount. So it shouldn't be applied to any of the regular classes.
Personally, if I was the DM, I'd probably say no to playing a Draconic Creature with no LA, unless you got nothing but being Draconian. I WOULD, however, allow it to grant you a hit dice if you took it- Probably a Dragon hit dice or something.
And, not taking the higher LA creatures means very little. Applying the Draconic template isn't that great, at any rate, and being slightly MAD isn't too bad. Sure, you might not be able to live up to your fullest potential, but it's not that bad.
Also- use propper grammar. I'll get to work correcting your grammar.
Vagabond? |
tThats whatiI do
hHonestly,iI enjoy the game for the numbers aspect;iI'm not the biggest rollplayer.iI can get into it wheniI need to butiI get significantly more enjoyment from putting together an awesome character than the background of it.
tThat being said,iI hate full casters andiI dont dive into obscure rules,andcombos, or archetypes to get every last drop of power;aAs long asiI'm hard to hit/kill andiI hit hard,iI'm usually pretty happy.
pPretty much every gameiI've ever playediI've been human for the extra feat;iI don't usually use high LA stuff.
All in all [Don Country accent], 3/10 ya need some damn punctuation, boy; the internet's a public place and ya walking around in ya damn underpants, 'spectin us ta' go an' side wit' ya ta do this stuff.
All in all, work on your capitalization, and try to avoid run-ons; While this sort of typing is acceptable in certain areas of the net, generally speaking, Forums with smaller populations, such as this one, expect a higher level of grammatical accuracy. I would heavily recommend reading through your post, and separating what you write into separate ideas and "Sub ideas." Use commas and periods and such. Remember the structure of a sentence, and remember to separate ideas into sentences, with commas. Writing, especially in this age where it's a primary form of communication over long distances, is a vital skill to learn and master, and improper grammar, long term, will cause significant agony upon applying for various jobs, resulting in the employers thinking you as a lesser being (Though few will admit this.) to them, and nearly automatically rejecting you. Your writing is your first impression to many people, internet or no, and, as such, you need to take care of it.
My apologies for this long rant on grammar and such- I tend to react in a relatively violent methods to poor grammar- Never knew why exactly, but I imagine that I have established a idea that poor grammar equals limited intelligence.
Koshimo |
Koshimo wrote:
tThats whatiI do
hHonestly,iI enjoy the game for the numbers aspect;iI'm not the biggest rollplayer.iI can get into it wheniI need to butiI get significantly more enjoyment from putting together an awesome character than the background of it.
tThat being said,iI hate full casters andiI dont dive into obscure rules,andcombos, or archetypes to get every last drop of power;aAs long asiI'm hard to hit/kill andiI hit hard,iI'm usually pretty happy.
pPretty much every gameiI've ever playediI've been human for the extra feat;iI don't usually use high LA stuff.All in all [Don Country accent], 3/10 ya need some damn punctuation, boy; the internet's a public place and ya walking around in ya damn underpants, 'spectin us ta' go an' side wit' ya ta do this stuff.
All in all, work on your capitalization, and try to avoid run-ons; While this sort of typing is acceptable in certain areas of the net, generally speaking, Forums with smaller populations, such as this one, expect a higher level of grammatical accuracy. I would heavily recommend reading through your post, and separating what you write into separate ideas and "Sub ideas." Use commas and periods and such. Remember the structure of a sentence, and remember to separate ideas into sentences, with commas. Writing, especially in this age where it's a primary form of communication over long distances, is a vital skill to learn and master, and improper grammar, long term, will cause significant agony upon applying for various jobs, resulting in the employers thinking you as a lesser being (Though few will admit this.) to them, and nearly automatically rejecting you. Your writing is your first impression to many people, internet or no, and, as such, you need to take care of it.
I appreciate the concern, and usually I do try to put down my thoughts to the best of my ability. Unfortunately I am actually at work right now, and I was just jotting my thoughts/response down quickly since I wasn't getting a true response just some sarcasm.
Vagabond? |
Vagabond? wrote:...Koshimo wrote:
tThats whatiI do
hHonestly,iI enjoy the game for the numbers aspect;iI'm not the biggest rollplayer.iI can get into it wheniI need to butiI get significantly more enjoyment from putting together an awesome character than the background of it.
tThat being said,iI hate full casters andiI dont dive into obscure rules,andcombos, or archetypes to get every last drop of power;aAs long asiI'm hard to hit/kill andiI hit hard,iI'm usually pretty happy.
pPretty much every gameiI've ever playediI've been human for the extra feat;iI don't usually use high LA stuff.All in all [Don Country accent], 3/10 ya need some damn punctuation, boy; the internet's a public place and ya walking around in ya damn underpants, 'spectin us ta' go an' side wit' ya ta do this stuff.
All in all, work on your capitalization, and try to avoid run-ons; While this sort of typing is acceptable in certain areas of the net, generally speaking, Forums with smaller populations, such as this one, expect a higher level of grammatical accuracy. I would heavily recommend reading through your post, and separating what you write into separate ideas and "Sub ideas." Use commas and periods and such. Remember the structure of a sentence, and remember to separate ideas into sentences, with commas. Writing, especially in this age where it's a primary form of communication over long distances, is a vital skill to learn and master, and improper grammar, long term, will cause significant agony upon applying for various jobs, resulting in the employers thinking you as a lesser being (Though few will admit this.) to them, and nearly automatically rejecting you. Your writing is your first impression to many people, internet or no, and, as such,
Oh. Well, my apologies- I sound like a jackass. Sorry, just... Tend to be a bit tempermental about poor grammar. Either way- Yeah, Draconic is a bit much as a template, would be fairly decent as a class, would be fairly decent as a Race. If I were DMing the game, I'd allow it as a 1 level long class, with a Draconic HD instead of granting no HD. LA proves to be far more damaging in Pathfinder due to the simple fact that more abilities scale with level- As such, LA is FAR more painful than it would be in 3.5- As such, with most templates in 3.5, I reduce the LA to a minimum of 1, with LA 1 templates granting racial hit die instead.