Taunt + Intimidating Prowess??


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i'm doing a good ol' gnome barbarian and i want him to be decent at intimidation.

intimidating prowess lets me add my strength to intimidate (he's small and charismatic, but the boost helps, and it increases when he rages).

Taunt lets me use bluff to demoralize and i no longer take the penalty for being smaller than my opponent.

As far as i can tell, those wouldn't stack, or would they?

If not, is there another way to get around the penalty for being small and intimidating? Maybe a trait i'm missing or something?

Liberty's Edge

Sadly I do not believe they do stack for they both specifically name a certain skill associated with the feats. Now if intimidating prowess said let you use your strength modifier when attempting to demoralizing an enemy then I believe you could.

As for another way to get a good intimidate while being small theres always the drunken brute with it rage power boasting taunt. Combine a few bottle of ale with intimidating prowess and in pretty sure anyone would listen to you


No, they won't stack.

A nice option for small characters to demoralize in combat is the Enforcer feat: if you do nonlethal damage to a target, you can make a free intimidate check. If you pass the DC, you demoralize the target for as many rounds as you did damage. That way, you're not dependent on beating the DC by 5 to get an additional round, which makes the -4 for being smaller not quite so bad.

(Also, remember that it's -4 for being smaller, period. I think it was -X per size category in 3.5, because I've run into several GMs who think the penalty increases with the size category difference.)

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Also in the long run the -4 from being smaller will be trivial, with the ease at which skills can be boosted compared the DC to demoralize (only 10+HD+Wis Mod).


The main advantage from taunting is that you get two feats for the Price of one. Instead of intimidating prowes get skillfocus(bluff) and you will be the King.


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scatterpattern wrote:

i'm doing a good ol' gnome barbarian and i want him to be decent at intimidation.

intimidating prowess lets me add my strength to intimidate (he's small and charismatic, but the boost helps, and it increases when he rages).

Taunt lets me use bluff to demoralize and i no longer take the penalty for being smaller than my opponent.

As far as i can tell, those wouldn't stack, or would they?

If not, is there another way to get around the penalty for being small and intimidating? Maybe a trait i'm missing or something?

You may want to check this link Intimimancy that Le Petite Mort came up with. I know that somewhere in there is a feat dedicated to canceling out the minus for being small. Plus it has a LOT of great info on intimidation builds.

Grand Lodge

Well, if it's just about size penalty, then Nightmare Scars rids you of those.

You will need to worship Lamashtu though.


I know this thread is a couple weeks old, but I was researching this very thing as well.

Something to consider (and which may have been brought up before) is that the penalty doesn't stack for size categories as it did in 3.X.

If you are a looking to just negate the size penalty, use skill focus (intimidate) instead. Using skill focus lets you both negate the penalty, and effectively get a +2 from the feat. This is exactly what you get from Nightmare Scars, though without the god choice or social penalty.

The only reason to take Nightmare Scars, imho, is if you /really/ need to stack the bonuses, and even then Persuasive offers a still better bonus (and the same +2 to Diplomacy, without the racial restrictions).

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