phantom1592 |
Why doesn't Ray wear his super suit all the time?
At least when he's fighting an immortal martial artist.
Didn't he invent that suit? Isn't he some kind of doctor? Isn't he supposed to be smart?
Also, why do people care so much about the timeline being "pure?" That literally makes no sense to me. Wasn't Biff the hero of Back To The Future 2?
Most of the time I agree. Shrunk down Atom hiding in Kendra's purse is a HECK of a lot more useful than powerless Ray walking around... However for THAT fight?!?
1) If Atom beat up Savage... than it wasn't 'the man'... it was the suit. He was already feeling diminished by the Carter situation.
2) This version of Atom uses lots of lasers and missiles and stuff... NOT the kind of thing to use INSIDE the ship...
3)???? If Savage gets a lucky hit in or something... then HE has the Atom superweapon... or it could blow up... or any other legitimate reason NOT to wear it into the cage match with megaevil...
As for pure timeline? Not sure who you're talking about... the Time masters? Any time you are born in the future... It's REALLY important to stop people from screwing with the past. Being a british guy isn't so great if something convinces Savage to destroy England 100 years before you're born....
and no... Biff juggled between Evil and a loser... but never hero O.o
Grey Lensman |
Maybe. I don't know DC Comic time travelers as well as I do Marvel's.
I was a big JSA reader when before the nu52 declared war on the Golden Age - Per Degaton shows up there, and time travel is something he does, often on a floating timey-wimey disk (think of a flying, high tech manhole cover).
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I thought last night's episode was great actually. If the whole season was this good, I would have been a lot happier.
mbauers |
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Sure, the time masters manipulating time explains a lot of the incompetent things the team did throughout the season. In the end battle during this episode, the team was actually successfully killing their opponents instead of shooting over their heads, so that was good.
I liked that they achieved success, though I think it would've been cooler if Snart froze his hand, cut it off, and wedged it in there, then ran out with the others. "What? You didn't think I was gonna stay behind, did you? Our ship can regrow my hand!"
Believe it or not, the worst bit of writing that was handwaved had nothing to do with time travel, the Oculus, etc. It was something that happened off camera--please show me how 110 lb Sara carried 250 lb unconscious Mick to the time ship. I know she's tough and a good fighter, but as Marcus from Bad Santa said: "Special treatment? It's a matter of f%+~ing physics! So unless you got a forklift handy, maybe you can lend a hand!"
Set |
Did you notice that the time master dude mentioned Thanagar? Where hawk people come from? So which origin are they going with?
They could tie the meteor that empowered Shayera, Carter and Vandal Savage to Thanagar, somehow, I suppose, having it taken the hawk-peeps a couple thousand years to figure out where the missing whatever-it-was-that-makes-people-immortal/reincarnative/their leaders got off to.
BigNorseWolf |
Hama wrote:Did you notice that the time master dude mentioned Thanagar? Where hawk people come from? So which origin are they going with?They could tie the meteor that empowered Shayera, Carter and Vandal Savage to Thanagar, somehow, I suppose, having it taken the hawk-peeps a couple thousand years to figure out where the missing whatever-it-was-that-makes-people-immortal/reincarnative/their leaders got off to.
Dude, where's my Immortal Pharaoh ?
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Norman Osborne |
How about have the guy who's made of nuclear energy stick HIS hand in there? Martin Stein was already able to contain nuclear energy (that Russian thingamabob) by himself when he wasn't even merged!
Of course, the other half of Firestorm was recently dying because of exposure to timey-wimey radiation. But apparently sending him back to 2016 briefly completely cured that. And even eliminated the accelerated aging that had already occurred. Because...reasons.
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Hama wrote:Did you notice that the time master dude mentioned Thanagar? Where hawk people come from? So which origin are they going with?They could tie the meteor that empowered Shayera, Carter and Vandal Savage to Thanagar, somehow, I suppose, having it taken the hawk-peeps a couple thousand years to figure out where the missing whatever-it-was-that-makes-people-immortal/reincarnative/their leaders got off to.
At the end, when Cabbage was monologuing about not needing the Time Masters because he has a timeship, I started wondering if...
MMCJawa |
Nothing really needs the big three. If they can do Civil War without Robo-Thor or Goliath or Nitro they can do JSA stories without Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.
Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman are a bit more crucial to the Justice League than those named characters are to the Avengers.
Also I am probably 100% certain that the TV verse is not allow to directly mention Justice League.
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Rip: "We need to go to three different time periods to kill Vandal Savage simultaneously."
Stein: "OK, which one should we do first?"
Rip: "First? No, we need to split up into three teams and do it simultaneously."
Stein: "I don't think you understand what 'simultaneously' means. Even our entire team has never beaten Savage before. Besides, we have a time machine, remember?"
Rip: "I SAID WE'RE SPLITTING UP, OK?!"
Sarah: "Fine, let me get my sniper rifle, and I'll set up-"
Rip: "No sniper rifle. We kill him in hand-to-hand combat!"
Ray: "But Firestorm and I can fly and shoot energy beams."
Rip: "I SAID HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT, OK?!"
Norman Osborne |
Feral wrote:Nothing really needs the big three. If they can do Civil War without Robo-Thor or Goliath or Nitro they can do JSA stories without Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman are a bit more crucial to the Justice League than those named characters are to the Avengers.
Yeah, I"m not much of a DC fan, but even I realize that that's more akin to an Avengers team that lacks Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor.
(I know that they have been lineups that lacked any of them, but it's been fairly rare over the years, and without at least one of those characters, it doesn't really feel like the Avengers. Hell, it doesn't really feel like the Avengers even if just Cap is missing.)
Grey Lensman |
MMCJawa wrote:Feral wrote:Nothing really needs the big three. If they can do Civil War without Robo-Thor or Goliath or Nitro they can do JSA stories without Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.Batman, Superman, and Wonderwoman are a bit more crucial to the Justice League than those named characters are to the Avengers.Yeah, I"m not much of a DC fan, but even I realize that that's more akin to an Avengers team that lacks Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor.
(I know that they have been lineups that lacked any of them, but it's been fairly rare over the years, and without at least one of those characters, it doesn't really feel like the Avengers. Hell, it doesn't really feel like the Avengers even if just Cap is missing.)
It hasn't been the Justice League to me since they retconned the Martian Manhunter out of it. He had been in nearly every version of it until just prior to the nu52.
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It hasn't been the Justice League to me since they retconned the Martian Manhunter out of it. He had been in nearly every version of it until just prior to the nu52.
I just HATE him as a character. He's superman + professor X + the vision + a shapeshifter.. combo platter powers doesn't even begin to describe it. Pick something and BE it. When your character needs to have the flu so SUPERMAN can be relevant... you've probably overpowered the character.
Grey Lensman |
Grey Lensman wrote:
It hasn't been the Justice League to me since they retconned the Martian Manhunter out of it. He had been in nearly every version of it until just prior to the nu52.
I just HATE him as a character. He's superman + professor X + the vision + a shapeshifter.. combo platter powers doesn't even begin to describe it. Pick something and BE it. When your character needs to have the flu so SUPERMAN can be relevant... you've probably overpowered the character.
They did well with him in Justice League and Young Justice - keeping the focus mostly on shapeshifting and mental powers (although I was scratching my head at the telekinesis in YJ).
And he was done well in the (pour one out for Darwyn Cooke, who truly deserves any accolades) New Frontier.
Although I like the character for the philosopher and perennial outsider aspects more than anything else.
CBDunkerson |
I thought they did remember him, they were wondering why he was back.
"Dammit, you lived! What the hell!?"
Umm.... no. Indeed, they replayed the seconds leading up to him flying away and the second time he just 'vanished' mysteriously... and then had to explain what he had been doing when he came back. Two different versions of the time line... for no apparent reason.
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Rip: "We need to go to three different time periods to kill Vandal Savage simultaneously."
Stein: "OK, which one should we do first?"
Rip: "First? No, we need to split up into three teams and do it simultaneously."
Stein: "I don't think you understand what 'simultaneously' means. Even our entire team has never beaten Savage before. Besides, we have a time machine, remember?"
Rip: "I SAID WE'RE SPLITTING UP, OK?!"
Sarah: "Fine, let me get my sniper rifle, and I'll set up-"
Rip: "No sniper rifle. We kill him in hand-to-hand combat!"
Ray: "But Firestorm and I can fly and shoot energy beams."
Rip: "I SAID HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT, OK?!"
I loved how Ray was boxing one of those crappy Hawk-girl wannabes while Mick beat Savage in a street fight. It's like Ray forgets he has powers. And Savage in 1944 literally used knives to deflect automatic weapons fire and slaughter a platoon of Nazis by himself, but 14 years later he can't beat (weaponless) Mick in a one-on-one brawl? They could've at least had Ray say: "Gee, that Chronos training really paid off" or something like that.
Carter and Kendra are such worthless fighters. She gets sniped when they're flying away and then Rip's just like: "Don't worry, we'll just rescue her later," She's more useless than Princess Peach.
And really, the whole season we're told that only Kendra can kill Savage, and then it ends up not mattering at all?
Finally--yeah, Savage can go back and talk to himself (without causing too much damage to the timestream, apparently) but there's still only one of him. If they kill him in 1958, he doesn't survive to 2021 to go back and find himself. So why do they need to kill him three times?
BigNorseWolf |
Finally--yeah, Savage can go back and talk to himself (without causing too much damage to the timestream, apparently) but there's still only one of him. If they kill him in 1958, he doesn't survive to 2021 to go back and find himself. So why do they need to kill him three times?
Because this shows rules of time travel have parralell timeslines where time is objetive for the traveler but subjective to the main line.
BigNorseWolf |
They did well with him in Justice League and Young Justice - keeping the focus mostly on shapeshifting and mental powers (although I was scratching my head at the telekinesis in YJ).
Justice league is what i was thinking about.
He had all the powers mentioned. When he went to war world with superman he had to have the flu just so superman could be relevant to his own story. He had to be written out of the story/put on watch duty for a while just because otherwise he would have solved every problem the entire league ever had.
Grey Lensman |
Grey Lensman wrote:They did well with him in Justice League and Young Justice - keeping the focus mostly on shapeshifting and mental powers (although I was scratching my head at the telekinesis in YJ).
Justice league is what i was thinking about.
He had all the powers mentioned. When he went to war world with superman he had to have the flu just so superman could be relevant to his own story. He had to be written out of the story/put on watch duty for a while just because otherwise he would have solved every problem the entire league ever had.
I'll have to rewatch the Warworld episode, but the monitor duty was mainly during the Unlimited seasons, where most of the big guns of the League were absent quite often (and played into J'onn's alienation subplot). I think that most of the time, we rarely saw more than one of the real powerhouses of the earlier seasons in action at the same time (not counting the end with the Apokolips invasion). They even had an episode of the General vs. a pile of non-powered Leaguers with Superman 'busy' elsewhere.
phantom1592 |
Extra bonus... JSA has almost always been time travel related or from the past. They already used Hawkman and Hawkgirl, which to me means we may see them pop up again sometime.
They KIND of started the whole 'legacy' concept in DC and really do fit in well with a LoT show.
What I want to know now... is how they're going to work it? Are they going to be a 'past' team, like they were in Smallville? Because they've already scuttled Jay Garrick in Flash (though I'd love to see that get changed up somehow...) and I've ALWAYS been a fan of Hourman. Something about the less flashy powers... or the Yellow Costume/hood ... Something about him always appealed to me for me some reason. I was always annoyed when they replaced him with the Time traveling robot... and giddy when they brought him back.
Though with the cancellations and reboots... I don't remember what happened with him anymore? Did they kill him off again, or did he just fade into the background like the rest of the original team started doing...