Goodberrys, How many do you need to eat?


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Goodberry
Casting Time 1 standard action
Duration 1 day/level

Casting goodberry makes 2d4 freshly picked berries magical. You (as well as any other druid of 3rd or higher level) can immediately discern which berries are affected. Each transmuted berry provides nourishment as if it were a normal meal for a Medium creature. The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period.

Mythic
Each berry provides a full day's nourishment and counts as 1 hour of complete rest for the purpose of removing exhaustion, fatigue, or nonlethal damage.

Augmented (2nd): You can cast the spell to affect only one berry, imbuing into that berry any harmless druid spell you have prepared. The spell remains stored in the berry for the duration of the goodberry spell or until the berry is consumed. A creature that eats the berry gains the benefits of that spell as if you had cast it upon her. The maximum level of the imbued spell is equal to half your tier, and you must expend one use of mythic power for each spell level of the imbued spell (in addition to the one use needed to cast mythic goodberry). Similar to imbue with spell ability, you can't prepare a spell in that spell's slot until the berry is consumed or the mythic goodberry spell ends.

Now to the debate:

"Normal Meal for a medium creature" were in the rules does it say how many normal meals a medium creature needs to eat a day to not starve or start having to do fort saves from hunger?

In the food and drink section of the rules under meal it states that a meal consists of all the food you need for the day.

Many other places this statement of "normal meal for a Medium creature" has been replaced with "enough food to sustain x people for a day" or 24 hours. -From Create food and water

Fruitful sash from pathfinder unchained when talking about the goodberrys the sash provides uses the statement "One piece of fruit has enough nourishment and water to sustain one humanoid for 24 hours"

I could make the argument from real life that a person only "needs" one meal per day to survive and many do.

The contradiction comes in when looking at mythic were it then states that it provides nourishment for 24 hours, but also 1 hour of rest..ect. I could argue that the counting as 1 hour of rest is the true bonus to mythic goodberry. Now is this finally an update to the wording to remain consistant and do all goodberrys now count like this or a clarification meaning you need to eat more then one good berry a day to survive. If the latter is true i repeat my first question, how many berries must one eat to not starve and were in the rules does it state this.

Liberty's Edge

Thread necromancy - I was wondering this myself.
Unless something in the rules says otherwise, how about 3/day for a medium creature and 2/day for a small creature?

But I can find nothig in the rules about it.


3 for most creatures, 9 for halflings?

My druids tend to put a goodberry cherry along with any pigs they're feeding the monsters.

Liberty's Edge

Somewhat amusingly, goodberries have been a major plot point in our Kingmaker campaign. We offer them to everyone. We cook them with venison and then offer it as a tasty treat to bribe new allies. It seems to be our default solution to any problem:

Algorithm:
(1) Encounter enemy. Do they eat? If yes, go to (2). If no, go to (3).

(2) Try to offer them goodberries along with any other food we might be able to scrounge up or cook. Regardless of whether they are LE or CN or whatever, say we want to be pals with them.

(3) Fight them.

This has to mean we have evolved beyond murder-hobos. We are at least culinary murder-hobos at this point.

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