dipping for a race?? and new spell list?

[arcanine]

hey guys,

I have been trying my hardest to combine the Ghoul and Orc sorcerer bloodlines. but while still being human and being able to take the amplified rage team work feat. I wanted this for my blood conduit blood rager then go into dragon disciple. thing is you can only take Eldridge heritage once and I am a human. but i need to be orc for the amplified rage team work feat.

if i take one level sorcerer and get the orc blood line would getting

"Bloodline Arcana: You gain the ORC subtype, including darkvision 60 feet and light sensitivity. If you already have darkvision, its range increases to 90 feet. Whenever you cast a spell that deals damage, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled."
the orc sub type so i now qualify for Orc feats and the like? so now since i am a orc AND a human i can take the feat. and use my eldritge heritage to get the Ghoul claws.

and with this one level dip i would have a separate spell list. that is that of a level one sorcerer. By having 5 levels of blood conduit i would have a another list of spells that i can cast

So with 5 levels of blood conduit and 1 level sorcerer and 2 levels dragon disciple.

level 2 bloodrager spells, with its own number of spells
levels 2 sorcerer spells, with its own number of spells

or would the charts just continue as they are on the class list?

[TGMaxMaxer]

You only advance one class with your Dragon Disciple caster levels, not both.

So, you would be a level 1 sorc and level 6 blood conduit, or level 2 sorc and level 5 blood conduit.

DD 2 gives you one floating arcane caster level to assign to either class as you choose, but once you pick one DD will always advance that class from then on.

[Onyxlion]

You might be able to VMC sorcerer, you'll get to pick a bloodline, but I'm not sure how it would interact with bloodrager or the feat but it's the only single class solution.

Note VMC is the variant multiclassing rules in pathfinder unchained.

[arcanine]

TGMaxMaxer wrote:

You only advance one class with your Dragon Disciple caster levels, not both.

So, you would be a level 1 sorc and level 6 blood conduit, or level 2 sorc and level 5 blood conduit.

DD 2 gives you one floating arcane caster level to assign to either class as you choose, but once you pick one DD will always advance that class from then on.

what about the bloodline making me a Orc for the purposes of feats and stuff.

[David knott 242]

arcanine wrote:

TGMaxMaxer wrote:

You only advance one class with your Dragon Disciple caster levels, not both.

So, you would be a level 1 sorc and level 6 blood conduit, or level 2 sorc and level 5 blood conduit.

DD 2 gives you one floating arcane caster level to assign to either class as you choose, but once you pick one DD will always advance that class from then on.

what about the bloodline making me a Orc for the purposes of feats and stuff.

The VMC sorcerer gets the bloodline powers but not the bloodline arcana, so it doesn't help there.

[arcanine]

Onyxlion wrote:

You might be able to VMC sorcerer, you'll get to pick a bloodline, but I'm not sure how it would interact with bloodrager or the feat but it's the only single class solution.

Note VMC is the variant multiclassing rules in pathfinder unchained.

what dose that mean? so i cant go one level of sorcerer and choose the orc blood line.would I be considered a human and a orc? for feats and stuff i get dark vision and light sensitivity.

then i would get the Eldridge heritage feat for the ghoul blood line.

[arcanine]

what dose VMC do? show me a chart or something.

I only know multiclassing dont confuse me. unless you have a link.

[arcanine]

Ok I got the book but this is still a very important question.
Will the one level dip into sorcerer give me the (ORC SUBTYPE) and allow me to take Orc feats, trais, ect as if I were an ORC?

[Blakmane]

Do you want the bloodline purely to get the amplified rage teamwork feat?

If so, why not take the feat racial heritage?

[Blakmane]

Also, you cannot dip one level into sorcerer to get another bloodline anyway. The bloodrager has the following line:

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform."

So, if your bloodrager bloodline is draconic (which I assume it is if you're going into dragon disciple), your sorcerer bloodline also has to be draconic.

[arcanine]

No it's Aberanth for the tumor.

[Archaeik]

Crossblooded gets around that restriction since you count as both bloodlines however.

[arcanine]

Archaeik wrote:

Crossblooded gets around that restriction since you count as both bloodlines however.

Ah ok that makes sense.

[arcanine]

Blakmane wrote:

Also, you cannot dip one level into sorcerer to get another bloodline anyway. The bloodrager has the following line:

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform."

So, if your bloodrager bloodline is draconic (which I assume it is if you're going into dragon disciple), your sorcerer bloodline also has to be draconic.

Because the feat dose nothing for you I need a different way.

[Blakmane]

arcanine wrote:

Blakmane wrote:

Also, you cannot dip one level into sorcerer to get another bloodline anyway. The bloodrager has the following line:

"If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his former bloodline to make them conform."

So, if your bloodrager bloodline is draconic (which I assume it is if you're going into dragon disciple), your sorcerer bloodline also has to be draconic.

Because the feat dose nothing for you I need a different way.

A different way to do what?

[Blakmane]

Archaeik wrote:

Crossblooded gets around that restriction since you count as both bloodlines however.

Even with crossblooded he will still need to share a bloodline between his bloodrager and sorcerer levels, though.

Aberrant (bloodrager)

and

Crossblooded Orc/Draconic (Sorcerer)

Is not a legal combination.

[arcanine]

Blakmane wrote:

Archaeik wrote:

Crossblooded gets around that restriction since you count as both bloodlines however.

Even with crossblooded he will still need to share a bloodline between his bloodrager and sorcerer levels, though.

Aberrant (bloodrager)

and

Crossblooded Orc/Draconic (Sorcerer)

Is not a legal combination.

I don't want to be a dragon disciple any more. I just want to be an Orc and get a little more out of it.

Even so couldn't I still take cross blooded for both classes and have a -4to will?

[Archaeik]

The Crossblooded Rager also loses the initial Will bonus while Bloodraging...

Also, expect table variation about whether you can eke out 3 bloodlines between the crossblooded interchange. The Bloodrager stipulation can be read as requiring both classes to use the exact same mix -- in fact, that kind of seems like the preferred reading given the wording.

Why does the BR portion need to be crossblooded if you're dropping Draconic though? Orc is not an available bloodline for them.