Everlasting Goodberry Item


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This is the item I designed. I also added a little flavor text to the creation of it to limit the items availability. Let me know what you guys Think.

Everlasting Fruit Vine
CL 1, Faint Conjuration / Transmutation, Slot Less, 2 Lbs. – 360 Gp
Looking like a small cluster of grapes cut from the vine, these uniquely colored grapes each taste and feel like a different random fruit but are no bigger or shaped differently than a normal grape without seeds.
The Stem has enough spots for 8 berries to grow and once picked will be replaced 24hours later as a new piece at a rate of 2d4 berries a day. These Magical Berries each provides nourishment (Food + Water) as if it were a normal meal for a Medium creature. The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period. The Berries Last for 24 Hours once picked before losing their magical quality. To remove one berry from the Vine and eat it takes a Move action.
Construction Requirements: CL 1, Goodberry, 180 Gp
Spell Level (1) x Caster Level (1) x 1800gp (Use Activated) /5 (for number of charges per day = 1) = 360 Gp
(Slot Less Items Should Double the Price but for a non-Combat Item / doesn’t provide a passive buff or effect on Player Characters so I didn’t include that)

To grow this unique item a druid must gather up seeds from all the fruit plants that it wishes the berries to taste like, at least 4 different seeds need to be used, as well as 180gp worth of unique soils and fertilizer. Growing takes 5 days and during that time the druid must water it and cast Abstemiousness, Goodberry, and Plant Growth, every day on the plant and tend to it for 4 hours a day. During this 4 hours a druid must attempt a Nature check DC 20 every day or the plant dies and all materials are lost and must start again, at the end of the 5 days the druid must carefully cut the fruit cluster from the plant. Once cut the rest of the plant dies in a matter of hours but the cluster of fruit will forever remain ripe. It is possible to grow larger fruit clusters, in increments of 8 and that grow an additional 2d4 berries per day, for each additional increment it takes an additional 5 days and an additional 180 Gp.

I want to increase the price 180gp -> 250gp and 360gp -> 500gp seems a bit more reasonable but we will see.

A druid or ranger always knows what type of fruit a berry is duplicating. If a berry is planted in the ground it will grow into the plant that grows that fruit, the plant will grow more quickly and be more bountiful and last longer than normal for that type of plant.

The item can be easily destroyed by fire and the berries can be crushed, although not as easily as normal berries or grapes, the stems cannot be broken or cut easily so accidently destroying the item is not possible.

//This item is a very common item for Druids, Rangers, Hunters, and Shamans, it is quite difficult to come across for anyone else and are greatly sought after

Shadow Lodge

This looks like a fun thing to include in your home game. Wouldn't it also require Craft Wonderous Item?

Though, if anyone in your group is planning on being a Ghoran, then the vine might not see much use. Those plant people can grow Goodberries on themselves.

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I Was sort of taking the same approach that paizo took with leshys, that since your growing it you dont need the crafting feat, But otherwise yes you would need the craft wondrous item feat.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

First rule of pricing, compare it to a similar item.

First item that comes to mind: Sustaining Spoon, produces enough gruel a day to feed 4 humans.

Price, 5400 GP.

There's your cost. Actually, at 2d4 average 5, you'd be at 6750.

And your 'I'm growing it' is not a defense, it's just an alternate means of construction that doesn't require a feat. In all honesty, without the feat it should cost MORE.

==Aelryinth

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What do you mean "not a defense" paizo did it with leshy creatures by taking the craft construct feat away because your growing it. im just doing the exact same thing as paizo. Both grown by Druids only.

And i was unable to find a similar item, thats why i created this in the first place, and i just followed all the crafting magical item rules.

And from what i found That magic spoon is from 3pp and uses this formula
Construction Requirements: CL 5, Craft Wonderous Item, Create Food and Water, 2,700 Gp
Spell Level (3) x Caster Level (5) x 1800gp (Use Activated) /5 (for number of charges per day = 1) = 5,400 Gp

which per paizos RAW for magic item creation would actually create food and water for 15 people

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

That IS a similar item. It is an item that makes something that feeds 4 people a day.

You are making an item that feeds 2d4 people a day...average five.

You price it at similar item. That's all there is to it.

A leshy is akin to a homunculus, and is priced accordingly. The alternate construction is a gimmee, but doesn't change the pricing rules. Example: A leaf leshy costs about half to make what a homonculous does, but has 1 HD, a Homonculous has 2.

And while you can houserule anything, you aren't Paizo, so don't bring that up as a justification, please.

You wanted to know how to price it, and I'm pointing out that an item that can feed five people forever is worth 6,750 gp, and would take half that much in rare components to grow and make.

==Aelryinth

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but the item that you are providing is not a paizo made item, its a 3rd party product item. wich if you use the crafting rules that paizo has for us and compare it to the spell used we get the same priced item but it feeds 15 people and not 4.
I can add craft wonderous item to the requirements, that was an oversight on my part cause we dont use crafting feats in my home games.

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i never said it wasnt a similar item, i was saying i couldnt find one when i created this item.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

What?

Sustaining Spoon was once known as Murlynd's Spoon. It's right off the SRD.

It's likely reduced in price because it can only be used 1/day.

ANd rule #1 is Compare to Previous Item.
Rule #2 is use the item pricing rules, if Rule #1 doesn't work.

I'm not trying to be harsh here, I'm just pointing out how things are done.

==Aelryinth

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The Shifty Mongoose wrote:

This looks like a fun thing to include in your home game. Wouldn't it also require Craft Wonderous Item?

Though, if anyone in your group is planning on being a Ghoran, then the vine might not see much use. Those plant people can grow Goodberries on themselves.

The urge to be a delicious Plant Man is not as widespread as some might think.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#sustaining -spoon

There's the link to the SRD.

==Aelryinth

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the once per day is already factored in with the 5,400gp price tag, im fine with harsh im just also justififing my side as well, and I did find Murlynd's Spoon and it is a direct conversion to sustaining spoon but Murlynd's Spoon is WoTC and sustaining spoon is from Alchemist Formulae (3pp) Neither of wich was made from paizo staff.

From WoTC though i did find an item that provided food for up to 3 people per day at a cost of 1,080. I cant think of the name of it right now but it had like 7 pockets that each had a diffrent type of food item and when you closed the bag all items were replenished for the next day.

I try not to use other version items when comparing things, i try to go with RAW untill Paizo officially comes out with a similar item. Now In unchained they have a belt that produces 1 fruit per HD you have and it costs 720gp each fruit counts as a goodberry. Wich is the reason for my thinking of increaing the price to 500gp.

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Aelryinth wrote:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#sustaining -spoon

There's the link to the SRD.

==Aelryinth

Ok, you have your point there. I only found the one from the source i mentioned. but thank you.

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You just pop 'sustaining spoon Pathfinder' into google and it comes up immediately. :)

d20pfsrd choice 1, SRD from Paizo #2.

==Aelryinth


Goodberry provides 2-8 meals, I would expect each person to require 3 meals a day (although I don't know that that is specifically defined anywhere.)

The sustaining spoon proved enough food for 4 people, presumably 12 meals, so it is a bit better than twice as much food. It is probably overpriced, as it is something, at least in my experience, that is very rarely purchased. 3.5 ended up publishing a number of food items that were considerably cheaper.

In Pathfinder, the Versatile vest has bag of holding like properties, and creates a days worth of food every three days for a total cost of 2000 gp, the food seems to be almost a 'free' add on.

All that said, the price in the OP does seem a bit low to me. Utility non-combat things in Pathfinder don't translate too well to the times per day mechanic. In addition, slotless should still be calculated in to the price I would think.

My feeling is that at somewhere around 1,000 gp this item would be fairly priced, some characters would find it cool and buy it, quite a few would still just go for the ring of sustenance instead if they were concerned with food.

As for not using a feat to create, that is probably an ok houserule for a few select items. If you make a lot of items like that though it could become unfair.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

1st level spell, once a day, slotless item?

Sounds pretty close to Pearl of Power(1st), 1,000 gp

Pearl requires you to have the spell, but you get to cast it at your level.

Everlasting Fruit Vine only gives you the one spell, cast as a 1st level caster.

I think its pretty close to a wash, you don't get much for under 1,000gp slotless magic item - usually a use once and toss it trinket.

I do like the item...<yoink>

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 16

Okay, a revision.

2d4 meals, average five, is 1.67 people per day. However, the bit of healing thrown on top is nice, so let's just round it up to 2.

So that's half as effective as a Spoon of Sustaining.

So, I'd have it come in at half the price. 2700 gp. Pretty much a direct correlation on usefulness.

==Aelryinth

Dark Archive

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Comparing it to ring of Sustenance, i feel like the most powerful ability of the ring is reducing the time required for sleep to 2 hours and the not needing to eat is a secondary feature, i would spend the 2k gold on just the reduced sleep time part of the ring.

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The ring also requires a week of attunement AND affects only the wearer.

Your vine can sub for 2-8 meals, which could cut the food requirements for an entire family in half, AND it heals damage instantly, which is a lifesaver, literally.

For an adventurer, sure, the Ring is MUCH better. For a family or small group of people?

Vines all the way. Taste better, too.

==Aelryinth

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Revised

Everlasting Fruit Vine
Shadowlords Custom Item, Designed for Druids
CL 1, Faint Transmutation, Slot Less, 1 Lbs. – 1,000 Gp

Looking like a small cluster of grapes cut from the vine, these uniquely colored grapes each taste and feel like a different random fruit but are no bigger or shaped differently than a normal grape.

The Stem has enough spots for 5 berries to grow and once picked will be replaced 24hours later as a new piece at a rate of 1d4 berries a day. These Magical Berries each provides one day’s worth of nourishment (Food + Water) for a Medium creature. The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period. The Berries Last for 24 Hours once picked before losing their magical quality. To remove one berry from the Vine and eat it takes a Move action.

Construction Requirements:
CL 1, Craft Wondrous Item, Druid Craft, Goodberry, 500 Gp
Spell Level (1) x Caster Level (1) x 2000gp (Continuous) /2 (Half Spell Power) // effectively casts Goodberry once per day at half power

Growing Rules:
To grow this unique item a druid must gather up seeds from all the fruit plants that it wishes the berries to taste like, at least 4 different seeds need to be used, as well as 500 Gp worth of unique soils and fertilizer. Growing takes 5 days and during that time the druid must water it and cast Abstemiousness, Goodberry, Druid Craft, and Plant Growth, every day on the plant and tend to it for 4 hours a day. During this 4 hours a druid must attempt a Nature check DC 20 every day or the plant dies and all materials are lost and must start again, at the end of the 5 days the druid must carefully cut the fruit cluster from the plant. Once cut the rest of the plant dies in a matter of hours but the cluster of fruit will forever remain ripe. It is possible to grow larger fruit clusters, in increments of 5 and that grow an additional 1d4 berries per day, for each additional increment it takes an additional 5 days and an additional 500 Gp worth of materials.

Planting the item when it has all berries grown on it will enable you to add more fruit to it, and/or grow a larger one. This growing time takes 5 days. If you are adding more seeds to it, all that is required is to plant the item with the seeds and care for it during the 5 days as if you were growing it the first time without Nature checks. If you are making a larger one you must get and pay for the Fertilizer and soil as normal and tend to its growth as if growing a new one. You can add more seeds to it at this point as well.

This item is a very common item among Druids, Rangers, Hunters, and Shamans, it is quite difficult to come across for anyone else and are greatly sought after by others. A Druid, Hunter, Ranger, and Shaman always knows what type of fruit a berry is going to be. If a berry is planted in ground that has fertile soil in an area that can support plant life it will grow into the plant that grows that fruit, the plant will grow more quickly, grow larger, be more bountiful, and last longer than normal for that type of plant.

The item can be easily destroyed by fire or spells that rot food. The berries can be crushed, although not as easily as normal berries or grapes, the stems cannot be broken or easily cut, so accidently destroying the item is not possible.

Change Log / Notes:
I want to increase the price 180gp -> 250gp and 360gp -> 500gp seems a bit more reasonable but we will see.
Price Changes: 360gp was original price per formula, took away division by 5 and got 1800, rounded up to 2000 for simplicity, halved the initial benefit of the item so cut the price in half as well.
These Magical Berries each provides nourishment (Food + Water) as if it were a normal meal for a Medium creature. *Changed Wording*
Took away Conjuration aura in description

Priced it closer to Pearl of power 1st level; It is a first level spell that I am basically duplicating,

I changed the wording from “meals” to “a days’ worth of nourishment”, there are no in game mechanics or rules for how many meals per day you need to eat, the price for meals and all descriptions of such represent a days’ worth and not a number of meals. So saying “counts as a normal meal” is too abstract and not a good representation for it, and just brings up the question, “How many do I need to eat to survive?” 5th Edition also changed the wording of the spell for this reason as well. Other Items I have found such as fruitful sash pg. 173 from pathfinder unchained have since adopted this wording “One piece of fruit has enough nourishment and water to sustain one humanoid for 24 hours” in regards to the Goodberry effect from the sash
With this change I then decided to reduce the power of the item to half, I am hesitant on this change to half power

Druid Craft is a 0 level spell in 5th edition I put it here in a respect to only druids being able to craft the item.

Slot Less Items Should Double the Price but for a non-Combat Item / doesn’t provide a passive buff or effect on Player Characters so I didn’t include that

Similar Item: Fruitful Sash from pathfinder unchained starts its level scaling at 6th level and is priced at 710gp (at 6th level), it produces 6 Goodberry per day (1 per HD of creature) and each Goodberry heals 1 point of damage and is a days’ worth of nourishment. Pricing is determined by the lowest level of the first power Listed on the item.

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So you're pricing it at non-core levels instead of core levels, and tripling the benefit by giving it all day food instead of one meal.

Mmmm.

If it had a kicker like "The benefits of this item can only be used by druids", I can see a 1000 gp price.

As it is, no. It's basically the exact equivalent of a Sustaining Spoon, slightly fewer uses, with an alternate construction method, POSSIBLY immobile.

If the Goodberry from the belt just paid for a MEAL, it would be priced accurately (1/3rd price = 2130 gp, pretty much online vs spoon).

as it is, it's another case of splatbook not agreeing with core.

If you can't pick it up and carry it around, I can see another price reduction. If you have to make skill checks to keep it healthy, I can see a price reduction.

But being able to feed 2 people a day basically forever, and heal some damage, for 1k gp. Ehhhhh....underpriced.

==Aelryinth


Honestly, since it'll be vulnerable to fire and require so much time and effort to replace, I'd be fine with it in my home game. Rations only cost 5 silver per day so items like this are really only good for the reduced weight and increased convenience. It's still cheaper to just get a pack mule and load it down with trail rations, so what's the problem? Healing 1 point of damage? That's a waste of time for anyone past level 2. Furthermore, if you're in a party of 4, you will eat these berries faster than they can replenish themselves so you will have to supplement them with rations anyway. The only thing that's potentially worrying is the planting in soil trick. Farmers would kill for an endless supply of superior seeds to certain plants. I'd remove that ability from the write-up.

Dark Archive

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Aelryinth wrote:
If the Goodberry from the belt just paid for a MEAL, it would be priced accurately (1/3rd price = 2130 gp, pretty much online vs spoon).

I dont understand this statement, or were you are pulling your numbers from.

The goodberry belt at its base cost of 710gp provide 6 goodberrys a day. Each goodberry is enough nourishment and water to sustain one humanoid for 24 hours and heal 1 point of damage.

Unchained is not a splatbook either, its a core book.

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Cuuniyevo wrote:
Honestly, since it'll be vulnerable to fire and require so much time and effort to replace, I'd be fine with it in my home game. Rations only cost 5 silver per day so items like this are really only good for the reduced weight and increased convenience. It's still cheaper to just get a pack mule and load it down with trail rations, so what's the problem? Healing 1 point of damage? That's a waste of time for anyone past level 2. Furthermore, if you're in a party of 4, you will eat these berries faster than they can replenish themselves so you will have to supplement them with rations anyway. The only thing that's potentially worrying is the planting in soil trick. Farmers would kill for an endless supply of superior seeds to certain plants. I'd remove that ability from the write-up.

All that i wrote up under cunstruction requirements is all flavor fluff, just some things i thought were cool additions and would be fun for a druid like character to do, I imagine this item for a druid traveling around planting plants for nature. Again, it would be sought after just as much as a farmer would seek out a druid to cast Plant growth on his farm every 3 years

could chage the planting thing to only benifit the plant for the first 3 years but again its all fluff and could be taken out.

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Aelryinth wrote:

So you're pricing it at non-core levels instead of core levels, and tripling the benefit by giving it all day food instead of one meal.

Mmmm.

If it had a kicker like "The benefits of this item can only be used by druids", I can see a 1000 gp price.

Also what do you mean non-core levels and core levels.

I gave reasonings to why i changed it to days worth of food instead of one meal. There is no rules to determine how many meals per day a person needs to survive, everything that is written in the rules has one meal is equal to a days worth of food. Look up rations, Meals under food and drink discriptions.

And i had only imagined this as a druid only item during creation, in my revised rules druids are the only ones capable of crafting them. part of the fluff text i was brainstorming was that if any non druid (/ ranger, hunter shaman) that was found to have one of these items a druid would try to retreive it from them and destroy it or bring it back to a druid grove.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

Sustaining Spoon is an over priced item.

This item is MUCH closer in effect to Pearl of Power.

As designed, you have an immobile vine that makes half-power Goodberries once a day. Sure it doesn't take a slot, but you gotta get it from the vine.

I certainly could tolerate wording something like: "If you rely upon the berries for more than three days in a row you gain the Sickened condition until you use other means of sustenance for a number of days equal to the number of days you sustained yourself on berries."

1000gp seems pretty reasonable - Pearl of Power (1st) is MUCH more flexible/useful/powerful than this item, which I think more than makes up for the ability for anyone to use the berry bush.

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the Lorax wrote:

Sustaining Spoon is an over priced item.

This item is MUCH closer in effect to Pearl of Power.

As designed, you have an immobile vine that makes half-power Goodberries once a day. Sure it doesn't take a slot, but you gotta get it from the vine.

I certainly could tolerate wording something like: "If you rely upon the berries for more than three days in a row you gain the Sickened condition until you use other means of sustenance for a number of days equal to the number of days you sustained yourself on berries."

1000gp seems pretty reasonable - Pearl of Power (1st) is MUCH more flexible/useful/powerful than this item, which I think more than makes up for the ability for anyone to use the berry bush.

This item is a portable item though, and i agree that pearl of power is a much more useful item for the same price, and that the spoon is overpriced, i could never see myself buying that spoon for 5.4k gp for 4 cardboard meals a day. That is why i used pearl to base the item off of more. I could understand the sickened condition debuff for surviving on the berries for extended periods but druids, hunters, and shamans all pretty much survive on goodberrys already as it is a 1st level spell for them

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Rangers and druids have the problem that they have to find the fresh berries. Which means Goodberry is basically a seasonal item.

This doesn't have that restriction.

Unchained is not a core book, it' a splatbook..an extension of the core campaign. It's not 3p, but it's not Core.

non-Core messes up pricing as much or more then Core does.

A family of commoners will find this item far more useful then a Pearl of Power. You have to be a spellcaster to get anything out of a Pearl. So, yes, a Pearl is more useful, IF YOU ARE A SPELLCASTER.
Lots of stuff is more useful if you are a spellcaster.

I couldn't find anything in the rules which said that 1 meal a day = all you eat for one day. In absence of that, the standard is 3 meals a day is normal for most folk. If the original spell meant 1 meal = all day, it would have said so...the language existed for other spells and effects.

1 hp is not much. It's an infinite % more then the spoon, enough to instantly stabilize someone who is wounded, and double the natural healing rate of most people. And you can eat 5 of them if you want to, meaning it's modular and versatile.

==Aelryinth

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Then by what definition are you getting core from? The book is in the same line as ultimate equipment and advanced race guide, ect. by that reasoning Ultimate Equipment is not core and as such spoon is not core as it is in UE

Dark Archive

Pathfinder LO Special Edition, PF Special Edition Subscriber

And talking about a normal family, a house of commoners would be extremely hard pressed to come up with 1,000 gp in spare gold to spend on a measly 2 meals per day, and if they do good on them.

A skilled worker earns about 2gp per day(actually 1.5 but we'll round up this guy is special. Working 5days a week 52 weeks a year he earns 520gp per year before living expenses.

Him living poor will cost him (3 gp/month)
The PC lives in common rooms of taverns, with his parents, or in some other communal situation—this is the lifestyle of most untrained laborers and commoners. He need not track purchases of meals or taxes that cost 1 sp or less.
It costs him 36gp a year to just live, he has his own spot

but since he is a skilled worker im sure hes living a little bit better.
Average (10 gp/month): The PC lives in his own apartment, small house, or similar location—this is the lifestyle of most trained or skilled experts or warriors. He can secure any nonmagical item worth 1 gp or less from his home in 1d10 minutes, and need not track purchases of common meals or taxes that cost 1 gp or less.
120gp per year of living expenses.

And this is per person.

At 360gp yes this item breaks all food economy in the game if we are going to get into the world economics of pathfinder, at 1,000gp it hardly breaks the game.


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Due to the care need for the item, the cost seems reasonable. It's a plant, it likely won't grow well if stuffed in a handy haversack and would be problematic for an adventurer to carry around.

The spoon is portable, the plant not so much. It's also expensive enough that I could see wealthy nobles or territorial druids having such plants, while normal NPCs would not likely afford it. Plants also require care. Seriously, adventurers don't use soap on a regular basis. How many would remember to water a plant every day?

Thus it is an interesting item for an NPC, it's not going to benefit a party of murderhobos unless they raid the local noble's garden.

Also, to play devil's advocate - sustaining spoon is a core item (page 531 core rulebook).

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KestrelZ wrote:
Also, to play devil's advocate - sustaining spoon is a core item (page 531 core rulebook).

I found it in UE after him pointing out the item existed in the first place. pg 322

But still does not being able to reference any item in any book that's not the core rule book kind of limit everyone on creating items and being able to compare more similar items to each other. Even if they are part of the "Core RPG line" Advanced Race Guide, Mythic Adventures, Ultimate Campaign, ect...

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The core books are PH, DMG, and Beastiaries. Everything else is a splatbook, or 3rd party.

==Aelryinth

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Aelryinth wrote:

The core books are PH, DMG, and Beastiaries. Everything else is a splatbook, or 3rd party.

==Aelryinth

Then that is extremely limiting if we can only use what was produced 7 years ago, that was really just re skinned stuff from 3.5. before paizo really started producing true original content. Comparing it to more modern items from their primary RPG line I feel would get you closer to a real price. Even finding similar items in their smaller books could help create a better item.

And the spoon as you pointed out is an exact replica of the 3.5 spoon with just a new name, that item is close to 12 years old. so using that as your only comparative tool will get you nowhere. The item is a good place to start but after finding a few other items of similar power, and comparing them all, we will get closer to a true item priced reasonably. The more items we have to compare the better.

My items i currently am using to compare are pearl of power and the fruitful sash, and my item is a weaker version of both and is the same price or more expensive then both.

with fruitful sash now an official item released by paizo there is no way people would buy the spoon over the sash. the sash is exponentially better and the spoon is grossly overpriced for what it does comparatively to the sash.

Unless your games use only core, GM and Bestiary then the sash wont come into play, but then neither would house made items. I would also expand core out to mean anything official for society, that would give more to work with while still being grounded to a select amount of book.


Reminds me of an item I gave my players in an old home game. It's a +1 quarterstaff gifted to the party druid by a shaman they befriended, which is made of living wood and wrapped in a few growing vines. Every morning, 1d4+1 goodberries grow from the vines, to a maximum of five.


that is an awesome idea for an item, I always hated how limited the options were for food in the game (magical spoon, magical ring, spellcasting or carry a half-ton of supplies!).

I'm not gonna go all crunchy on you, but I feel like the cost is low.

I would price this at... 2500gp.

It can feed more than one person per day AND has some healing functions.

Very cool idea, nice work. Maybe change it a bit to allow for non-druids to make it (Hunters, Clerics with appropriate Domains)?

Dark Archive

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Hey alex, thanks for the advice, I have since made updates to this item. this post probably got bumped because im using it to fix formatting, I am going to create a new post with the updated version of this along with some other things, Titled all about Goodberry.

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