Unchained Protean Eidolon Grab


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I just got my copy of Pathfinder Unchained.
Like many of you I immediately paged down to the summoner class and started looking at it.

Under the Protean subtype, it states that their base form grants the following evolutions: "Base Form: Serpentine (bite, grab [tail slap], tail, tail slap)."

In addition "At 1st level, protean eidolons gain the
resistance (acid) evolution as well as the grab evolution, tied
to an attack type of the summoner’s choice. Whenever the
summoner changes the protean eidolon’s evolutions, he
can also change the attack type for grab."

Now, this would normally imply that the Eidolon has Grab on his tail as part of his base form and grab on another attack form of the player's choice from the protean subtype but as far as I can tell you can't take the grab evolution twice.

So does this mean that Protean subtype is :
A) A special case where you do get the grab evolution twice, once on your tail slap and once wherever you please?

or

B) typoed and you only get the grab evolution once, but it can be placed on whichever natural attack you please?

or

C) fatally flawed since you are stuck with grab on your tail from your base form, and the grab that you are suppose to be able to put on whatever and change never occurs since you can't have grab twice.


D) The default attack your single instance of grab is attached to is tail slap, unless the summoner decides to place it on another attack.


I haven't actually read Unchained, so.

I would actually say it's option A.
The two evolutions are clearly different, as the resist (acid) is not listed in the base evolutions.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

The way its written it would lead me to believe option A. My gut tells me they meant option B, but they wrote option A.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Pretty certain the rules say you can only pick an evolution just once, unless it says otherwise.

If it's given to you as a bonus, then you didn't actually pick it. Thus, you have not violated any rules and can still take it again if you want.

Just my 2 cents.

Grand Lodge

I'm really hoping A

Designer

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It seems to me like it should be A. Not an official response, as always, but hey, it's Unchained, so pick the variant you like best!

The Exchange

Good enough for me Mark, thanks.

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