I have a character NPC that is serving as the healer for my PCs. He has a bunch of third party feats that allow him to take a couple Life Oracle Revelations (specifically channel and enhanced cures) I was wondering how the VMC rules work and would allow me to do this same thing without using 3PP materials.
Can I choose different revelations? Am I stuck with specific ones?
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From what I heard, there is a list of Revelations that you are allowed to take, and this list includes most of the Oracle's Revelations. The noticeable absences are stuff like Nature and Lore Mysteries' Charisma-to-AC revelations and things of that nature.
I am super hyped for the book to come out so I can make a Paladin VMC Life Oracle to make the best damned single-classed Oradin.
What i heared you can choose your Revelations, but some are specifically locked out from VMC.
Do any of the VMC abilities function at full level?
Life: Channel, delay affliction, energy body, enhanced cures, healing hands, life link, lifesense, safe curing, spirit boost.You get a revelation at 3, 15, and 19, effective Oracle level (character level -6). And you explicitly can't take Extra Revelation. Ring of Revelation seems like a gray area.
So everything but Combat Healer. Life Link is probably all you want for an Oradin anyway. I does mean you don't really get a full suit of Life Links until 9th-11th depending on party size.
Since you are not technically an oracle, strictly by the book you can't use the ring. However, as a GM, I would allow a player in my games to use the ring for their own mystery for a revelation that was on their list of allowed revelations, with the same level reduction as their other revelations. As to what you guys do? It's Unchained, so it's up to you! The one thing I strongly recommend is that you don't allow the ring to grant sorcerers their Charisma to AC.
I wanted to make an ecclesitgeurge who gets an extra pool of channels and can do cures at full level.
Would it be better to make an oracle who uses vmc to get the healing domain?
Since you are not technically an oracle, strictly by the book you can't use the ring. However, as a GM, I would allow a player in my games to use the ring for their own mystery for a revelation that was on their list of allowed revelations, with the same level reduction as their other revelations. As to what you guys do? It's Unchained, so it's up to you! The one thing I strongly recommend is that you don't allow the ring to grant sorcerers their Charisma to AC.Life: Channel, delay affliction, energy body, enhanced cures, healing hands, life link, lifesense, safe curing, spirit boost.You get a revelation at 3, 15, and 19, effective Oracle level (character level -6). And you explicitly can't take Extra Revelation. Ring of Revelation seems like a gray area.
So everything but Combat Healer. Life Link is probably all you want for an Oradin anyway. I does mean you don't really get a full suit of Life Links until 9th-11th depending on party size.
All due respect Mark, but for a guy who helped write the book you sure do have a lot of house rules that disagree with the book.
I still wish I could get charisma-to-ac on my charismatic martials. Just put a line in there that says "yes, you can take Nature's Whispers, except you you scrubby ass sorcerers".
All due respect Mark, but for a guy who helped write the book you sure do have a lot of house rules that disagree with the book.Since you are not technically an oracle, strictly by the book you can't use the ring. However, as a GM, I would allow a player in my games to use the ring for their own mystery for a revelation that was on their list of allowed revelations, with the same level reduction as their other revelations. As to what you guys do? It's Unchained, so it's up to you! The one thing I strongly recommend is that you don't allow the ring to grant sorcerers their Charisma to AC.Life: Channel, delay affliction, energy body, enhanced cures, healing hands, life link, lifesense, safe curing, spirit boost.You get a revelation at 3, 15, and 19, effective Oracle level (character level -6). And you explicitly can't take Extra Revelation. Ring of Revelation seems like a gray area.
So everything but Combat Healer. Life Link is probably all you want for an Oradin anyway. I does mean you don't really get a full suit of Life Links until 9th-11th depending on party size.
I have a lot of small houserules like that in general. And it's Unchained, the big book of modifications and houserules.
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I have a lot of small houserules like that in general. And it's Unchained, the big book of modifications and houserules.All due respect Mark, but for a guy who helped write the book you sure do have a lot of house rules that disagree with the book.Since you are not technically an oracle, strictly by the book you can't use the ring. However, as a GM, I would allow a player in my games to use the ring for their own mystery for a revelation that was on their list of allowed revelations, with the same level reduction as their other revelations. As to what you guys do? It's Unchained, so it's up to you! The one thing I strongly recommend is that you don't allow the ring to grant sorcerers their Charisma to AC.Life: Channel, delay affliction, energy body, enhanced cures, healing hands, life link, lifesense, safe curing, spirit boost.You get a revelation at 3, 15, and 19, effective Oracle level (character level -6). And you explicitly can't take Extra Revelation. Ring of Revelation seems like a gray area.
So everything but Combat Healer. Life Link is probably all you want for an Oradin anyway. I does mean you don't really get a full suit of Life Links until 9th-11th depending on party size.
A lot of people see it rather as the big book of expanded character options from the Devs-Who-Reside-Above, those without fault or silly constrictions like type-fitting.
As a player, I know I fall into that category at times. As a GM, I see it as a wonderful tool for homebrew and alternate rules.| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
I have a lot of small houserules like that in general. And it's Unchained, the big book of modifications and houserules.All due respect Mark, but for a guy who helped write the book you sure do have a lot of house rules that disagree with the book.Since you are not technically an oracle, strictly by the book you can't use the ring. However, as a GM, I would allow a player in my games to use the ring for their own mystery for a revelation that was on their list of allowed revelations, with the same level reduction as their other revelations. As to what you guys do? It's Unchained, so it's up to you! The one thing I strongly recommend is that you don't allow the ring to grant sorcerers their Charisma to AC.Life: Channel, delay affliction, energy body, enhanced cures, healing hands, life link, lifesense, safe curing, spirit boost.You get a revelation at 3, 15, and 19, effective Oracle level (character level -6). And you explicitly can't take Extra Revelation. Ring of Revelation seems like a gray area.
So everything but Combat Healer. Life Link is probably all you want for an Oradin anyway. I does mean you don't really get a full suit of Life Links until 9th-11th depending on party size.
A lot of people see it rather as the big book of expanded character options from the Devs-Who-Reside-Above, those without fault or silly constrictions like type-fitting.
As a player, I know I fall into that category at times. As a GM, I see it as a wonderful tool for homebrew and alternate rules.
You wouldn't believe how many times people say something like "I know that my interpretation of the rules is right and yours is wrong because the devs (sic) worded it differently here than in this other book by a tiny amount, thus proving it's different than in the other book" and it's due to copyfitting or the like, not any signal of intent from perfect-memory designers (always called devs online for some reason, maybe due to us having the job that developers would have in a computer gaming company?) trying to send you a secret message.
(always called devs online for some reason, maybe due to us having the job that developers would have in a computer gaming company?) trying to send you a secret message
Ugh, sorry. You're spot in in my case. I'm a gameplay engineer at Activision (aka a game dev) and you'd think I would get that right by now, but I usually combine design and developers into devs for video and table games, for whatever reason.
I think some of the word-interpretion opinions come from having a background with things like MtG, where (for the past 10 years at least) slight wording differences are often significant and intentional. Can't really pull something so keyword and definition based in an RPG before things come crashing down
Edit: I almost forgot the on-topic post I wanted to make. Between Cleric with VMC Oracle and Oracle VMC Cleric, I would go with spontaneous vs prepared preference. It will probably be the biggest difference and I know a lot of people prefer one strongly.
Do any of the VMC abilities function at full level?
There are few, but mostly just the ones that affect skills only. For example Bardic Knowledge and Inquisitor's Stern Gaze function at full Class Level.
Do any of the VMC abilities function at full level?There are few, but mostly just the ones that affect skills only. For example Bardic Knowledge and Inquisitor's Stern Gaze function at full Class Level.
The wizards ones do, only level 20 is locked but still full level. Also the sorcerer one is full level as well.
I wanted to make an ecclesitgeurge who gets an extra pool of channels and can do cures at full level.
Would it be better to make an oracle who uses vmc to get the healing domain?
For the VMC cleric:
You get your domain power at 3td level, counting your full character level as your effective cleric level. You don't gain the 8th level power until 15th level.
You can channel as a 1st level cleric at 7th level. You get +2 level bumps at levels 11 and 19.
Do any of the VMC abilities function at full level?
Oh yes -- they range from (character level - 6) to full character level. Some features advance in odd ways, like the Channel Energy ability of the VMC cleric cited above.