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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

During the data breach scene there were several code names in the Imperial archive.

Four of them were different aspects of the Death Star, all from Catalyst.

They were named Stellar Sphere, Pax Aurora, Mark Omega, and Celestial Power.

The four aspects that they relate to are an advanced turbolaser project, advanced shields (Stellar Sphere), the hyperdrive/power for the station, and Galen's crystal research (Celestial Power). In the movie there was also Dark Saber and of course Stardust.

I'm just sad they never referred to it as the Murderball from Campaign.


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I also saw the ghost on the background at least once.


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GM Niles wrote:

The action sequence toward the end involving the boarded ship made all my SW dreams come true.

Also, yeah I needed to hear the Imperial March and all I got was some sideways version of it...

Spoiler:
I absolutely loved that scene. Vader should always fight with brutal, vulgar displays of power, instead of that wushu crap from the prequels. The futility of fighting him and the terror of the rebel soldiers was amazing.

That scene makes me want to see a movie about jedi's trying to flee and hide across the galaxy, only to be cut down in vulgar ways by Vader that show how powerful and scary he is.


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Irontruth wrote:
GM Niles wrote:

The action sequence toward the end involving the boarded ship made all my SW dreams come true.

Also, yeah I needed to hear the Imperial March and all I got was some sideways version of it...

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah

Vader:
We've never really seen what Vader could really do. I've always thought of his fighting in Ep4-6 as either A) Holding back against an old man and former master or B) Holding back against his son.

Also, did anyone catch Bodi's fear when Saw breathes in and it *almost* sounds like a certain someone.


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Irontruth wrote:
GM Niles wrote:

The action sequence toward the end involving the boarded ship made all my SW dreams come true.

Also, yeah I needed to hear the Imperial March and all I got was some sideways version of it...

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
wushu crap?! Oh man different strokes for different folks!
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Oh I need to see this. Does vaders vulgar display of power as others have put it Reach anywhere near the levels of his Vader down comic scene where he caused an entire rebel platoon's thermal detonators to explode at their belts?

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Er,

WHY ARE YOU READING SPOILERS!!

Watch the film friend Archmagi! Go!

See you here in a few days.

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There are actually over 20 posts with the final Darth Vader combat scene all over the internet, each have been respectively taken down, and I for one am thankful for that.

Because of my contact from the movie, and the fact that it may very well be the last time we see Darth Vader in a live action movie, there was almost a certainty they would have to let the Dark Lord 'cut lose.'

On Monday, elsewhere on the internet, the week of the premier some prick posted the whole fight scene WITHOUT telling readers what the linked scene was! I thought it would be authorized footage. I was pissed to see it two days before seeing it on the big screen, urgh!!

Post that 2 to 3 months from now, not before the middle of opening weekend.

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Supplemental Data:
Grand Moff Tarkin's Communique Directive to Director Krennic

Notice the Battle Station's designation as 'DS 1.'

I think the first published material that indicates that Grand Moff Tarkin had a second Death Star's construction underway was from 1989.


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there was one completely unstar wars like element in the movie

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Handrails. there were HANDRAILS on the giant communications tower. Since when is ANYTHING in star wars osha compliant?

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There are many key differences between Grand Moff Tarkin and Director Krennic.

Spoilers!

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Before the Death Star fires on Jedha, Director Krennic has the Imperial garrison and Imperial support and auxiliary personnel evacuate the surface and atmosphere of the moon.

That move would have tipped of any Rebels, their sympathizes, and informants. Clearly this a flawed decision.

Conversely, when Grand Moff Tarkin orders the destruction of Scarif's Imperial Military Instalation he has made the very difficult but necessary resolve to fire upon his own ranks.

The data breach has to contained. No matter the cost. If a major Imperial facility (and personnel) have to be sacrificed for the safety and Order of The Empire, so be it.

Grand Moff Tarkin is a True Patriot.

Notice as well that the Death Star's Super Laser takes out Director Krennic before it strikes the planet's surface.

Grand Moff Tarkin took skill ranks in poetic justice.


Yeah, this is one thread where I would post in spoilers, since we were all in here talking well before R1 was released. However, Archmagi...go see it! Seriously stop reading the spoilers.

@Baron If the reaction on the internet is any indication I think there is definitely a desire for a movie ...

This Might Make Baron Happy:
...devoted to Vader's time during the purge, the years immediately after EP3. Seriously, the theater I was in erupted into cheering when that red lightsaber lit up....and the filmmakers did an awesome job of showing just how scary and dangerous Vader could be.

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A deep cut fanboy moment that possibly only very few got.

One of the Imperial Officers seated in the conference room scene in A New Hope is General Romodi. In the novel he actually delivers this key line that is given to Commodore Admiral
Motti in the movie.

"Dangerous to your starfleet, General Tagge, but not to this Battle Station. I happen to think Lord Vader knows what he's doing. The rebellion will continue only as long as those cowards have a sanctuary, a place where their pilots can relax and their machines can be repaired."

- General Romodi's line in the Star Wars Episode IV novelization

There is a scene in Rogue One where an Imperial Command Officer confers with Grand Moff Tarkin, the officer shares the same rank insignia and looks enough to be like the original Romodi that I was fairly certain it was him, I even said 'Romodi!' while I was watching the film.

I have searched the internet and there was no confirmation of this.

Today I got the the Rogue One The Ultimate Visual Guide in the mail.

I was right on the Imperial standard credit, it is Romodi we see in the film.


Going tonight at 10 PM CST. Must... resist...urge...to...read...spoilers...

This must be what its like to have the Dark Side constantly lurking at the edges of your soul...

Eh, I've always found myself more of a Grey Jedi anyway... I mean, who doesn't want Force Lightning!!!

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@GM Niles

That may be a hard idea to sell to Disney. A movie centered on Darth Vader could prove to be too Dark, too violent.

Also, while Anakin Skywalker gets a lot of screen time, the filmmakers probably want to use the Lord of the Sith more sparingly, to keep his aura of awe and mystique. To maintain this, he should not be overused.

When you see Darth Vader in a scene, you know things are about to get serious.

Vader is a unique snowflake. A Dark snowflake that could Force choke and
eviscerate you but a snowflake nonetheless.

Lastly, I don't know how many movies they can make showing the truth of The Empire triumphant.

Personally though, like Sriracha hot sauce, I can never have enough of The Empire.

Thanks to GM Niles for giving me the chance of using Sriracha and The Empire in the same sentence.


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100% loved this movie.
The CGI wasn't anywhere near as bad as described up thread.

Scarab Sages

/me is upset about being exiled from the thread and spoilers...

Ugh, if I only had time to go see it. Why must they release these things in Christmas season?

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Not in exile Archmagi, your in an Imperial moisture farm, upstate. So much free space to play in.


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Donnie Yen as a guardian of the Wills was like a HK action cinema fans wet dream.

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To have a kung fu master like him play a force sensitive rather than a full blown Jedi was inspired casting.

I'm an unabashed geek so what could I say, but I would have been happy with about 30 minutes more screen time for those characters.


I saw R1 last night and thought it was awesome. Of course it wasn't perfect, but all the problems I had were minor. They did a great job of showing both the Empire and the Rebellion are not simple organizations that get along well internally all time. The way they handled Darth Vader was awesome.


GM Niles wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
GM Niles wrote:

The action sequence toward the end involving the boarded ship made all my SW dreams come true.

Also, yeah I needed to hear the Imperial March and all I got was some sideways version of it...

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah ** spoiler omitted **

Also, did anyone catch Bodi's fear when Saw breathes in and it *almost* sounds like a certain someone.

Spoiler:

If I were to redo the Obi-wan/Vader fight, in the context of all the additional movies, I would make the fight even slower. If you have telekinesis and are in a sword fight, the first thing you'd use your power on would be your opponents sword. Like Kylo Ren locking people in place, then you just cut them down in one easy slice and move on.

With two great jedi masters fighting, I'd imagine a small bubble of inertia where they are both fighting mentally for control of every object around them and each other's bodies/weapons.

Of course during that fight Obi-wan and Vader could have used the force to speed up their movements beyond their frail bodies capabilities, but at the same time they could have also been slowing each other down as well.

I'm hoping that Rey and Kylo Ren have a showdown that includes a contest of wills instead of just physical prowess. Having them locking each other down and moving extremely slowly could have lots of tension and show off how similar and yet different they are.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
GM Niles wrote:

The action sequence toward the end involving the boarded ship made all my SW dreams come true.

Also, yeah I needed to hear the Imperial March and all I got was some sideways version of it...

** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **

I love kung-fu movies, even ones with wires, but those are displays of human physical prowess. The prequels were just animated spinning tops with lightsabers and I found those 'exhibitions' boring. They also completely ignored these capabilities and skills in scenes where they weren't convenient, and ignored capabilities shown in others scenes, because they weren't convenient in those fights. By convenient, I mean to the writers, because they would have easily solved the character's problems.

EP 1, 2 and 3 fights were displays of colors and CGI. They had no soul, no depth, and completely lacked emotion. Many of them dragged on for far too long.

Spoiler:
In comparison, Vader's quick romp on the rebel ship was emotional. It displayed his cruelty and brutality while contrasting it against the troopers' terror and futility. That fight lasted 60 seconds at most, but had more emotion in it than the entire movie of EP 2.


a much needed restoration of badassery.


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I saw it yesterday morning (10:00am) for the first time.

I just came from seeing it a second time with my family.

For me this movie is my 3rd favorite STAR WARS film behind EMPIRE and STAR WARS.

I pretty much love that it was a straight up man/woman on a mission / War movie.

Movie plot spoiler:

Now THIS is how you do a SUICIDE SQUAD type film.

I loved the the team got to see first hand and UPCLOSE how high the stakes were.

I loved the little easter eggs. I loved how they handled Vader in the two scenes that he's in. I LOVED finally seeing his home on what I can only assume on Mustafar (sp?).

Basically I loved this movie. I liked THE FORCE AWAKENS but I LOVE this movie.

I had my concerns about Lucasfilm/Disney saying that they were going to turn out a STAR WARS movie every year with these Gaiden films alternating with the new main story. If THIS is the level of quality that they're going to be doing? I'm absolutley FINE with a yearly STAR WARS schedule.

If Marvel can do superhero films with different genres? Then ROGUE ONE has just shown us that Lucasfilm can do the same.

Scarab Sages

There is just so much existing material to mine and incorporate into the new Canon or just draw inspiration. In the main saga we have the better part of a century of time. Plenty of space to make new stories in an existing world. I mean paizo is over like 20 aps in golarion, star wars has decades of inspirational content to draw from. Surely they can be as productive with quality stories for the foreseeable future.


Well, I saw it a second time. I think there was some editing (always is) that went on and left a few things hanging.

For example

Spoiler:

On the communications platform, Initially when she first gets there Jen is definitely walking with a limp...but when did that happen. She wasn't shot, it's before the control panel is blown up and she's tossed around, and she wasn't caught up by the open and shutting door thingy. I think something happened, but we don't know what

There are several other sections like that as well. I hope we get to see that type of stuff resolved with deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray release.

PS: For those of us who are not massive Star Wars fans and watch every cartoon or show and read every book, can someone explain who Saw is?

I know who he is in the movie, but multiple people have referred to him as something in the current EU. What did he appear in and what did he do?

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I know Saw was in the clone wars TV show.


He was an extremist fighting against the Separatists during the Clone Wars.

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Saw it tonight, loved it.

Spoiler:
The Peter Cushing CGI was distracting, although it was the voice not sounding quite right that was a bit more off for me than the CGI. At any rate, more than made up for by the excellent performances by the primary cast, and the fantastic end battle (both in space and on the planet). And Darth Vader in action was awesome. Did anyone think his fortress was a bit Mordor?

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Mothman wrote:

Saw it tonight, loved it.

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
More like Mustafar :P Apparently he really liked the place where he killed his wife and lost his humanity. Cheap rent I guess.

Rosgakori wrote:
Mothman wrote:

Saw it tonight, loved it.

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Spoiler:

Did anyone else happen to notice that that was the ONE planet that wasn't introduced with on-screen text?


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Rosgakori wrote:
Mothman wrote:

Saw it tonight, loved it.

** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Probably motivational: "This is where my old life ended and my new one began." Also, keeping his hatred of Obi-wan and the other jedi fresh.

GreyWolfLord wrote:

Well, I saw it a second time. I think there was some editing (always is) that went on and left a few things hanging.

For example

** spoiler omitted **

There are several other sections like that as well. I hope we get to see that type of stuff resolved with deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray release.

There's a scene or two in the trailer that arent in the movie.

Movie plot spoiler:
One of those trailer scenes is Jyn walking toward the end of that platform when a TIE fighter rises from below the platform directly in front of her.

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
There's a scene or two in the trailer that arent in the movie.

The scene I was looking for was where Darth Vader and Director Krennic were onboard the Death Star when Krennic is say 'The power of this Battle Station is immeasurable!'

I count over eight , some have said up to twelve 'missing scenes.' This is not unheard of, global marketing needs material long before the final cut of the film. Hopefully we see those shots on the DVD. (We still use dvds right?)

Here are the missing TV spots.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

A deep cut fanboy moment that possibly only very few got.

One of the Imperial Officers seated in the conference room scene in A New Hope is General Romodi. In the novel he actually delivers this key line that is given to Commodore Admiral
Motti in the movie.

"Dangerous to your starfleet, General Tagge, but not to this Battle Station. I happen to think Lord Vader knows what he's doing. The rebellion will continue only as long as those cowards have a sanctuary, a place where their pilots can relax and their machines can be repaired."

- General Romodi's line in the Star Wars Episode IV novelization

There is a scene in Rogue One where an Imperial Command Officer confers with Grand Moff Tarkin, the officer shares the same rank insignia and looks enough to be like the original Romodi that I was fairly certain it was him, I even said 'Romodi!' while I was watching the film.

I have searched the internet and there was no confirmation of this.

Today I got the the Rogue One The Ultimate Visual Guide in the mail.

I was right on the Imperial standard credit, it is Romodi we see in the film.

Selected excerpts from the The Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide

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Mothman wrote:

Saw it tonight, loved it.

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Darth Vader’s castle on Mustafar in this film was inspired by Ralph McQuarrie’s art for the Sith Lord's castle in The Empire Strikes Back which was never used until now.

But yes, point taken.

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"Warhawk7 wrote:
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Pablo Hidalgo has stated that Mustafar was not the only planet without an on screen text, though it certainly was the most obvious. There is a flashback of the Erso's during a party on Coruscant (my example not his).

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Chopper's cameo.

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When I heard the pilot announce, 'Red 5' as his call sign I said 'and your fuc&ed'.

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''Red 5 checking in. I am most definitely dying in this movie."

- Red 5

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:

Well, I saw it a second time. I think there was some editing (always is) that went on and left a few things hanging.

For example

** spoiler omitted **

There are several other sections like that as well. I hope we get to see that type of stuff resolved with deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray release.

There's a scene or two in the trailer that arent in the movie.

** spoiler omitted **

Yeah, I was looking out for that scene.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

When I heard the pilot announce, 'Red 5' as his call sign I said 'and your fuc&ed'.

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''Red 5 checking in. I am most definitely dying in this movie."

- Red 5

That was a nice touch.

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To ensure complete and unwavering loyalty to The Emperor, our agents have listening devices everywhere, even in the Sith Lord's castle sanctum.

This is the full audio (only) of Darth Vader and Director Krennic scene.


Thoroughly enjoyed it.

Scarab Sages

I keep hearing good things. Perhaps I'll get a chance to see it sometime during the week.


Kryzbyn wrote:

100% loved this movie.

The CGI wasn't anywhere near as bad as described up thread.

I'm agreeing with Kryzbyn.

WITH KRYZBYN!

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Aberzombie wrote:
I keep hearing good things. Perhaps I'll get a chance to see it sometime during the week.

Aaiiiie!

You will step on a spoiler!

Get off this thread Aberzombie! Head to the Imperial upstate moisture farm with Archmagi!


The CGI is quite good. If all the characters were rendered with it it would be hard to notice. Heck, the whole movie would look beautiful. That said though, the two obviously CGIed faces stand out next to real ones and dip into the uncanny valley.

I Gerrera'ed it a second time tonight.


So, Baze and Chirrut were totally low-key homosexual, right? I'm not the only one that thought that?


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Albatoonoe wrote:
So, Baze and Chirrut were totally low-key homosexual, right? I'm not the only one that thought that?

Spoiler:
It would be similar to suggesting that there was some sort of low key homosexual relationship between Han and Chewie in the original trilogy, or C-3PO and R2D2.

I think that does a disservice to the relationships and devotion that is involved in a romantic relationship (regardless of orientation or gender, so that would apply to heterosexual relationships as well) if one indicates that just because one is close to a man or a woman it is mandatory that they are a couple.

I'd say for a relationship, there should be more indications of that type of relationship and indications of it's effects. To me, it actually isn't low-key homosexual at all, but rather more like the film indicates.

More like brothers.

I'd say they take more from that Hollywood trope of devoted brothers in arms (or in this case, monks...aka...guardians of the whills...which seem to have a similar symbology to the jedi where connections are forbidden and such) or even, literal brothers, rather than lovers. This goes in line with the entire guarding the other's back and simply accepting that they are there to guard their back...something that's been a Hollywood trope for...well...a very long time.

In addition, as brother monks it actually has some representation towards Asians in that light, but if you make it a homosexual relationship you are going to offend that type of monk tradition for some Asians (and considering the growing Chinese market, and the actors they got in the movie, I HIGHLY doubt Disney would do something like that...but hey...I'm not Disney so can't speak for them). In fact, many would see such an act in regards to monks as racist and discriminatory...territory I'm pretty certain Disney probably wouldn't be treading on. The guardians of the whills seem not only to be built on the Hollywood trope and a foundation of the jedi like religion, but also on the Buddhist Monks in how they are dressed and act. Many Asians, would see it as a direct racist and discriminatory act to infer that those who follow Buddhist like traditions are homosexual (or actually in some cases...sexual in ANY way rather than taking what they consider or call the middle path) or even heterosexual.

My personal opinion is that they were referring to what in the West, the closest we could call would be Brothers in arms, or brothers of the same will or Karma (I don't think there are any actual Western terms for that type of closeness between Monks or those types of comradeship).

There were actually more indications of something going on between Galen Erso and Krennick than those two, in that light...but I'd still say there was no relationship of that sort between Galen and Krennick either.

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Albatoonoe wrote:
So, Baze and Chirrut were totally low-key homosexual, right? I'm not the only one that thought that?

I'm assuming that was supposed to be a joke of some sort, right?

If not, and you were actually serious ... see the post directly above

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