I wanted to make a Reincarnated Druid and so I went looking for something I could use to help me with the downsides of the Druid.
Shabti
They are outsiders so they do not use the Reincarnated table and my DM says that due to Shattered Soul I would just reincarnate into a Shabti if and when I die.
Druid(Reincarnated Druid Archetype)
Now I was thinking this will be fun to play a character who is basically forged from the desire to escape death and now he can always escape death at least in part.
I am curious how this would work if I started at Venerable age, would my character always reincarnate as a venerable character? Would those +3 to mental stats reapply each time I reincarnate?
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If your GM's saying your race can't change (which I would find questionable, and it's not how most GMs handle reincarnated outsiders, but it's his game), I think it's reasonable to assume your venerable age would remain.
Your +3 to mental stats would not reapply because Reincarnate doesn't affect mental stats. Nice try, though. :P
Well you can age to death and then be reincarnated. And you are suppose to reincarnate into a new body.
I think the reason he is doing this is because I need to roll an additional Caster Level check to reincarnate which may delay my revival by another day. Being gone for two full days is a big pain if your party is still out looting things.
EDIT: ninja'd, but leaving this. :D
Eh, no. You'd just get the bonus once, not once per reincarnate effect.
Incidentally, your GM incorrect RAW, though his ruling does makes sense from a fluff-like perspective.
The Shattered Soul trait makes it hard for you to come back. Basically, you'd have to make CL checks to find out if your character actually does come back or not - you get seven odds-to-even chances to come back before you're gone for good.
The Immortal trait means that you'd come back as a young adult (as magical alterations to age work normally, and reincarnate specifies you come back as a "young adult"). If you managed to live to old age thereafter, you'd regain the bonuses.
Reincarnate doesn't specify that it doesn't work on outsiders - only that it needs a "dead creature" as it's target.
Given that he's your GM, however, his ruling is, by default, the "correct" answer for the purposes of your game. Hence, ask your GM. He might surprise you! :D
Well the table provided it for a humanoid and the reincarnated spell says "For a humanoid creature, the new incarnation is determined using the table below. For non-humanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created." Meaning an Outsider should not use that table and sure we could compile a list of all the other plane touched races, but given that shabti are literally created by the focus of not wanting to die by people using magic and when they do die their simulacra takes a life of its own becoming a shabti. Reincarnating into another race when your life essence is literally composed of the life of beings not wanting to die, makes sense to be stuck in the same type of body.
Well you can age to death and then be reincarnated.
Unless you're a shabti. :P
Reincarnate doesn't specify that it doesn't work on outsiders - only that it needs a "dead creature" as it's target.
I didn't say it didn't. However, you'll notice this li'l tidbit:
For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created.
EDIT: Damn ninja shabtis.
Well you can age to death and then be reincarnated.Unless you're a shabti. :P
Reincarnate doesn't specify that it doesn't work on outsiders - only that it needs a "dead creature" as it's target.I didn't say it didn't. However, you'll notice this li'l tidbit:
For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created.EDIT: Damn ninja shabtis.
Lol
Well it says they do not age naturally you could be effected via a spell that causes aging.
I didn't say it didn't. However, you'll notice this li'l tidbit:
I wasn't responding to you, as I didn't even see your post (look at my edit for clarification on that). I was responding to:
They are outsiders so they do not use the Reincarnated table and my DM says that due to Shattered Soul I would just reincarnate into a Shabti if and when I die.
... which made it look like reincarnate simply wouldn't work on outsiders, but he was allowing it, save only to return as a Shabti.
As I said: the GMs decision is his decision and it's final for his games. The reincarnate spell does work for outsiders, but would need a new table. The GM obviously doesn't feel like providing it - which is fine. It's sensible, just not mechanically sound, and his cited reason for doing so is a bit weird.
After having seen how the conversation has gone, however, I do understand better what the GM was thinking. Still, I'd have just made it an official house-rule instead of citing Shattered Soul. But, to each their own. :D
Using shattered soul is more of a bit of mechanical on top of the fluff. This makes it harder to do and so doesn't feel as easy to come back each time you are killed. As it doesn't negate the effect just delays it and could till you make the CL check, which is at least 10+5 (When many lives takes effect).
I agree it could be done better but it fits with the fluff of the character.
As I said - it makes sense, it's just not mechanically what's there. That's all. :)