Corerue |
I have searched through the books but other then being able to use weapon finesse to add Dex to Hit there doesn't appear to be a way to add dex to Damage for natural attacks.
Was curious if there was something I missed, searched older threads and came up empty handed. Any help is appreciated. :)
Imbicatus |
Four levels of Whirling Dervish Swashbuckler with any light or one handed piercing weapon.
From what I understand, three levels of unchained rogue will give dex to damage, but I don't have the book yet to confim if it works with natural weapons.
An Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists works.
Mythic Weapon finesse works too.
Lune |
Lune wrote:There are other ways as well. Weapon Versatility or Hamatulatsu Strike and Slashing Grace works.Slashing Grace wouldn't work with natural attacks are they count as light, not one handed.
You are correct but only because I forgot to include the other part of that puzzle: Swashbuckler's Finesse. Sorry for missing that originally.
Imbicatus |
chaoseffect wrote:You are correct but only because I forgot to include the other part of that puzzle: Swashbuckler's Finesse. Sorry for missing that originally.Lune wrote:There are other ways as well. Weapon Versatility or Hamatulatsu Strike and Slashing Grace works.Slashing Grace wouldn't work with natural attacks are they count as light, not one handed.
Slashing Grace only apples dex to damage on one-handed slashing weapons. The problem with using it for natural weapons is that they are light, not the piercing damage. Swashbuckler's Finesse allows Slashing grace to work with a one handed weapon for finesse, but it doesn't allow the dex to damage.
Oddman80 |
Ok... what if you have Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance, and you carry a scimitar in one hand? lets say you have two claws and a bite attack, you could get dex to damage with 1 claw, and 1 bite at full attack bonus... or you could get Dex to damage on 1 scimitar at full attack bonus and 1 claw & 1 bite at -5 (unless you had multiatack, then only at -2)
Dervish dance does not say you only get the dex to damage on the scimitar, and if you have natural attacks, you are not carrying a weapon in the other hand.
Snowblind |
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Ok... what if you have Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance, and you carry a scimitar in one hand? lets say you have two claws and a bite attack, you could get dex to damage with 1 claw, and 1 bite at full attack bonus... or you could get Dex to damage on 1 scimitar at full attack bonus and 1 claw & 1 bite at -5 (unless you had multiatack, then only at -2)
Dervish dance does not say you only get the dex to damage on the scimitar, and if you have natural attacks, you are not carrying a weapon in the other hand.
That blatantly violates the RAI of dervish dance so hard that I wouldn't dare suggest that at a table unless the GM was indescribably permissive or I was wearing CRB proof armor.
Scavion |
Imbicatus wrote:From what I understand, three levels of unchained rogue will give dex to damage, but I don't have the book yet to confim if it works with natural weapons.It would, but you'd have to choose just one for it to work with (bite or claws, not both).
Eventually you can get both though.
Shisumo |
Shisumo wrote:Eventually you can get both though.Imbicatus wrote:From what I understand, three levels of unchained rogue will give dex to damage, but I don't have the book yet to confim if it works with natural weapons.It would, but you'd have to choose just one for it to work with (bite or claws, not both).
True, but by the time you're 11 levels in, the thread isn't "How to get Dex to damage with natural attacks" anymore and has instead become "How should I build a natural-attacking rogue?"
Kaouse |
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Oddman80 wrote:That blatantly violates the RAI of dervish dance so hard that I wouldn't dare suggest that at a table unless the GM was indescribably permissive or I was wearing CRB proof armor.Ok... what if you have Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance, and you carry a scimitar in one hand? lets say you have two claws and a bite attack, you could get dex to damage with 1 claw, and 1 bite at full attack bonus... or you could get Dex to damage on 1 scimitar at full attack bonus and 1 claw & 1 bite at -5 (unless you had multiatack, then only at -2)
Dervish dance does not say you only get the dex to damage on the scimitar, and if you have natural attacks, you are not carrying a weapon in the other hand.
It's really good armor though... even gives you DR 5/FAQs
Snowblind |
Snowblind wrote:It's really good armor though... even gives you DR 5/FAQsOddman80 wrote:That blatantly violates the RAI of dervish dance so hard that I wouldn't dare suggest that at a table unless the GM was indescribably permissive or I was wearing CRB proof armor.Ok... what if you have Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance, and you carry a scimitar in one hand? lets say you have two claws and a bite attack, you could get dex to damage with 1 claw, and 1 bite at full attack bonus... or you could get Dex to damage on 1 scimitar at full attack bonus and 1 claw & 1 bite at -5 (unless you had multiatack, then only at -2)
Dervish dance does not say you only get the dex to damage on the scimitar, and if you have natural attacks, you are not carrying a weapon in the other hand.
The lack of immunity to sonic hurts though.
GMs can yell pretty loud when their players pull stuff like this.
Kyrrion |
Kaouse wrote:Snowblind wrote:It's really good armor though... even gives you DR 5/FAQsOddman80 wrote:That blatantly violates the RAI of dervish dance so hard that I wouldn't dare suggest that at a table unless the GM was indescribably permissive or I was wearing CRB proof armor.Ok... what if you have Weapon Finesse + Dervish Dance, and you carry a scimitar in one hand? lets say you have two claws and a bite attack, you could get dex to damage with 1 claw, and 1 bite at full attack bonus... or you could get Dex to damage on 1 scimitar at full attack bonus and 1 claw & 1 bite at -5 (unless you had multiatack, then only at -2)
Dervish dance does not say you only get the dex to damage on the scimitar, and if you have natural attacks, you are not carrying a weapon in the other hand.
The lack of immunity to sonic hurts though.
GMs can yell pretty loud when their players pull stuff like this.
Hey, you can at least go with Dervish Dancer Bards and retain Well-Versed. +4 to saving throws against Sonic effects is better than nothing.
chbgraphicarts |
Apparently lv3 is the magic level for Rogues getting Dex to Damage now.
No idea on what the exact mechanics on how that works, but we have the magic number at least.
On a related note, it's nice to see that while the Rogue gets Dex to Damage, the Swashbuckler remains the sorta king of it, since a Swashbuckler can get Dex to Damage at lv1
Lune |
If anyone finds a way to add dex to damage for natural attacks, it'll be time to really fear those tiny and diminutive creatures!
Therefore, it is unlikely to be possible as a general thing.
It already exists, bro. It was already brought up in this thread.
Agile weapons are unusually well balanced and responsive. A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons.
Corerue |
@Shisumo & chbgraphicarts Oh... bad assumption on my part. Thanks for the info. :)
In the Path of War book there is the Deadly Agility feat which adds dex to damage that way for any finessable weapon or light weapon. :) - Granted that is 3pp.
Again thanks for the help everyone :)