What PF spells do you think are over-powered?


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Huh... so that's what happens when someone makes a post and then deletes it and it's the first post on a new page...


Tels wrote:
Huh... so that's what happens when someone makes a post and then deletes it and it's the first post on a new page...

Bummer. I was considering betting on how many favorites it was going to get with some of my skype buddies.

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Anzyr wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Snowblind wrote:

Geas is 10 minute casting time with no save

Limited wish->Geas is 1 standard action to make someone do whatever you want ("obey me" is a good start, for example), no save.
You can't put that kind of open ended geas on someone.
Geas, Lesser wrote:
If the instructions involve some open-ended task that the recipient cannot complete through his own actions, the spell remains in effect for a maximum of 1 day per caster level. A clever recipient can subvert some instructions.

Please check your facts before you post.

LazarX wrote:
And I'm pretty sure that barbarian is the only reason those casters made it to that high level on more than one occasion. Especially if they were played Treantmonk style.
You meant Druid I'm sure.

It has to be an open-ended TASK, not a blank check OBEY ME. Which means you send him off to do something, not making him into your at will bodyguard. Geas is not Dominate Person. We've already had this talk with Charm Person.


Ashiel wrote:
Tels wrote:
Huh... so that's what happens when someone makes a post and then deletes it and it's the first post on a new page...
Bummer. I was considering betting on how many favorites it was going to get with some of my skype buddies.

I didn't see the post, I was just catching up and stumbled across it. What was it about?


LazarX wrote:
Anzyr wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Snowblind wrote:

Geas is 10 minute casting time with no save

Limited wish->Geas is 1 standard action to make someone do whatever you want ("obey me" is a good start, for example), no save.
You can't put that kind of open ended geas on someone.
Geas, Lesser wrote:
If the instructions involve some open-ended task that the recipient cannot complete through his own actions, the spell remains in effect for a maximum of 1 day per caster level. A clever recipient can subvert some instructions.

Please check your facts before you post.

LazarX wrote:
And I'm pretty sure that barbarian is the only reason those casters made it to that high level on more than one occasion. Especially if they were played Treantmonk style.
You meant Druid I'm sure.
It has to be an open-ended TASK, not a blank check OBEY ME. Which means you send him off to do something, not making him into your at will bodyguard. Geas is not Dominate Person. We've already had this talk with Charm Person.

Obey me for X days *is* a task.


Tels wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
Tels wrote:
Huh... so that's what happens when someone makes a post and then deletes it and it's the first post on a new page...
Bummer. I was considering betting on how many favorites it was going to get with some of my skype buddies.
I didn't see the post, I was just catching up and stumbled across it. What was it about?

Ehhh, I'll PM you, in the off chance it was scrubbed.


LazarX wrote:
Anzyr wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Snowblind wrote:

Geas is 10 minute casting time with no save

Limited wish->Geas is 1 standard action to make someone do whatever you want ("obey me" is a good start, for example), no save.
You can't put that kind of open ended geas on someone.
Geas, Lesser wrote:
If the instructions involve some open-ended task that the recipient cannot complete through his own actions, the spell remains in effect for a maximum of 1 day per caster level. A clever recipient can subvert some instructions.

Please check your facts before you post.

LazarX wrote:
And I'm pretty sure that barbarian is the only reason those casters made it to that high level on more than one occasion. Especially if they were played Treantmonk style.
You meant Druid I'm sure.
It has to be an open-ended TASK, not a blank check OBEY ME. Which means you send him off to do something, not making him into your at will bodyguard. Geas is not Dominate Person. We've already had this talk with Charm Person.

'Serve me' is a task.

Now yes, the instructions given during that time of service are up for subtle subversion, but it's basically an inversion of Charm Person [with days per level duration.] Instead of the subject liking you [but not being subservient to you], the subject can feel however they wish about you [most likely hating your guts] but is compelled to follow the letter of your instructions for the duration.

You could also think of it like Planar Binding, except without the Magic Circle bit.


But "serve me" as a command could also with the right creature and GM get the response of "do you go better with white or red wine... Or maybe some nice dwarven ale I've been saving for a special occasion..."


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Rycaut wrote:
But "serve me" as a command could also with the right creature and GM get the response of "do you go better with white or red wine... Or maybe some nice dwarven ale I've been saving for a special occasion..."

You're nitpicking now, especially since the original disputed order was 'Obey me" which is pretty unambiguous.


yes - I was, failing at, trying to be funny - but the serious point is that like a Wish a geas is subject to being taken literally - so "serve me" could well be misinterpreted - and as others have noted many a creature/NPC might have very creative ways of fulfilling orders.

As a GM I would try to interpret a geas in a way that moved the story along in interesting ways - probably nothing as dramatic as I suggested - but I'd definitely let the players know that there would likely be long term consequences (and some short term ones) as the creature they case the spell upon almost certainly will remember what they have been forced to do.

(and while I have used a Geas once against the players - per the Reign of Winter campaign I'm also fairly relaxed about interpreting it and the effect on the players. If they suddenly all decided to pursue a course of action differing from their Geas then I would start to trigger it - but generally I want to avoid forcing the players actions (and that Geas specifically is basically a near-divine order so I"ve also been pretty relaxed about how precisely it works.


Rycaut wrote:

yes - I was, failing at, trying to be funny - but the serious point is that like a Wish a geas is subject to being taken literally - so "serve me" could well be misinterpreted - and as others have noted many a creature/NPC might have very creative ways of fulfilling orders.

As a GM I would try to interpret a geas in a way that moved the story along in interesting ways - probably nothing as dramatic as I suggested - but I'd definitely let the players know that there would likely be long term consequences (and some short term ones) as the creature they case the spell upon almost certainly will remember what they have been forced to do.

Much like with Planar Binding services, the creature won't have the opportunity to remember since it won't survive past the end of the service.

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