I cast Versatile Weapon.
You munchkin cheater! LOL
This breaks the RAW and RAI because clearly shifting one's grip cannot be done if the weapon is your hand(arguably true) or if the weapon is a ranged weapon (???). Plus both of these things make absolutely no sense whatsoever from a realistic standpoint.Shifting your grip on unarmed strike:
Shhh... Don't tell him about those style feats that alter what kind of unarmed damage you can do. They aren't realistic... or the fact that you can shoot someone with a bow, trip them and deal no damage! [Trick Shooter + Ranged Trip] Or you can shoot someone with an arrow for non-leathal damage or NO damage. [Stage Combatant]
Also some of us are very good at knowing what the rules actually are. You do not need to be on the PDT team to know the correct interpretation of the rules. Several posters here are known to be good at this.WHile this could be true in this case, in general your statement is, well, absurd.
It would not be the case where different devs think differently about ta rule, or where the PDT rule differently to the author of the feat, or where the author didn't even think about some situation when writing hte rule so there is no intent.
Considering the fact that everything I posted in that post, which you only partially quoted, has taken place it is not absurd. Now if nobody had ever done what I mentioned or if it had only been one person then maybe you could say it was some type of phenomenon, but that is not the case.
edit: In general most people that know the correct ruling know why it works that way, and the part you did quote happens a lot more than the part of my quote that did not quote. I really dont see most posters or people in real life getting most of the rules wrong. Most people get some of the rules wrong.
I still can't understand why this feat drives people nuts.
What exactly is the problem?
I really have to agree. I fail to see the issue. If a club is fine doing piercing then why is a sling bullet an issue doing the same? People seem to lose their minds and go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to get it not to work.
The possible intent of the feat is being divined by the use of the "Shift your grip" phrase in the feat.munchkin logic to circumvent the clearly worded restrictions of the feat.As I've asked for several times in the past (just not in THIS thread), where is the rules text for "Shift your grip"? Where is the list of attacks excluded from that action? It's "clearly worded" afterall, so it should be easy. Is it the same kind super clear text that makes Vicious Stomp a brutal kick to an enemy when he is down hense limiting it to a kick? [hint, it doesn't]
Because without those, the only limiting factor is that it's a weapon. "Shift your grip" without any mechanics backing it up is a pretty worthless/fluff statement. The only thing I know for sure about the action is that it takes a swift action to do. There MAY have been some intent to limit this to some kinds of weapons, but if that's the case it totally failed to get that intent into the actual rules.
I provided the shift your grip answer in the natural attack version of this thread. You might want to go back and check it. BBT was the only one to come back and discuss it with me. Everyone else made snide comments and went into ninja mode once I gave examples in the rules.
This whole thing: TL:DR
If you are allowing Weapon Versatility for other weapons, to be fair, allow to arrows as well, but say you are using blunt arrows with round tips.
This breaks the RAW and RAI because clearly shifting one's grip cannot be done if the weapon is your hand(arguably true) or if the weapon is a ranged weapon (???). Plus both of these things make absolutely no sense whatsoever from a realistic standpoint.Shifting your grip on unarmed strike:
Chops are bludgeoning damage. There was however a 3.5 feat that allowed you to change the type of damage an unarmed strike did.
People get way to personal with these rules discussion.
Sometimes someone taking extreme views with a rule is a munchkin, sometimes not. Sometimes people disagree because they dont want a rule to work a certain way, and sometimes not.
None of us are mind readers, and the feat really is not written well.
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Chops are bludgeoning damage. There was however a 3.5 feat that allowed you to change the type of damage an unarmed strike did.This breaks the RAW and RAI because clearly shifting one's grip cannot be done if the weapon is your hand(arguably true) or if the weapon is a ranged weapon (???). Plus both of these things make absolutely no sense whatsoever from a realistic standpoint.Shifting your grip on unarmed strike:
Tiger Style and Boar Style explicitly allow unarmed strikes to do slashing damage.
Snake Style and Boar Shred explicitly allow unarmed strikes to do piercing damage.If they can modify US damage type and unarmed strikes are treated as weapons for all effects that enhance weapons (including weapon versatility), there is no reason to disallow weapon versatility from effecting unarmed strikes.
