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captain yesterday wrote:

What does FATAL stand for?

Or is it even an Acronym?

I can always look for myself.... but I'm a little scared to :-)

Originally "FANTASY ADVENTURE TO ADULT LECHERY".

Later changed to "FROM ANOTHER TIME, ANOTHER LAND".

The first appears more accurate.


Someone had to go and bring up F.A.T.A.L.?

It is, bar none, the most offensively repulsive RPG ever written.

If it were a sad attempt at parody, it would be disgraceful.

That it is clearly not a parody makes me feel ill.

This vile book is unapologetic misogyny masquerading as a role-playing game.

Here's a link to a non-review from Something Awful.

TV Tropes has a short page on the game.

Thankfully, the small press that published it has been out of business for more than a decade. Respectable companies like RPGNow refuse to sell it.

If you really want to take a look at it (it's better if you don't) you can find copies of the PDF floating around darker corners of the Internet (like 4chan) relatively easily.


Yeah that sounds terrible, I'm not even going to look at the links provided, had to ask though, sorry Halidir didn't mean to dredge up old memories :-)


You're fortunate captain yesterday I did click on the review link... It was a world of wrong. I feel like I need a week of showers. Although it did convince me to never ever seek out that product.


And if you feel like you need a shower from reading a review of the rulebook, imagine reading the rulebook.

The last page of the book were the credits and acknowledgements. The last line of the book reads, "And most of all, I'd like to thank myself."

Need I say more?

I think we should now stop talking about this vile trainwreck of a "game," and let it rot in the cesspool of gaming history where it belongs.


I like to keep a copy of FATAL saved to remind myself that things could be worse.


And now that I have read the non-review of FATAL, I need to gouge out my eyes, get a lobotomy needle, and use it.

Shadow Lodge

It's always a fun thing to throw at the "more rules is better!" crowd.

However, I remain convinced that it is a brilliant parody/trolling.


Oh, and pour bleach into the gaping wound that damaged my frontal cortex.


Perhaps we should replace brilliant with disturbed? I mean rules for determining your backsides circumference, and an attached table with the word baby. ::rocks back and forth and mumbles to self:: playful ferrets, playful ferrets, its ok, shhh...its ok.


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Okay, it took a while but I've made a FATAL character. Who is running a game? :D

Shadow Lodge

That was pretty quick. You must not have done much else but eat and sleep since I first mentioned it.


I got to the tables that determined a female character's bust line, cup size, areola diameter, nipple length, and vaginal depth, and died a little bit inside.


DM Under The Bridge wrote:
Okay, it took a while but I've made a FATAL character. Who is running a game? :D

I gave up trying to do it myself...

Shadow Lodge

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Bah! I use the DOS Character Generator. It takes the process down from 5 days to about 5 minutes.


Haladir wrote:
I got to the tables that determined a female character's bust line, cup size, areola diameter, nipple length, and vaginal depth, and died a little bit inside.

That game needed feats to modify such things.


And prestige cl.... AAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!


Haladir wrote:

Someone had to go and bring up F.A.T.A.L.?

It is, bar none, the most offensively repulsive RPG ever written.

If it were a sad attempt at parody, it would be disgraceful.

That it is clearly not a parody makes me feel ill.

This vile book is unapologetic misogyny masquerading as a role-playing game.

I'd be prepared to argue that RaHoWa (already mentioned in the thread) is actually worse. For people wondering, RaHoWa is the shortened form of Racial Holy War. It's at least as offensive as FATAL, if in a different way.


So... in order to set the bar lower, you'd need something about torturing puppies.


Or... I know! You could combine the two! Racial holy war in the FATAL world!!!


Sissyl wrote:
... in order to set the bar lower, you'd need something about torturing puppies.

Good idea. Let's play a nice, wholesome game of Kill Puppies For Satan.


Does every game end with barbarians and paladins busting in and finally ending their puppy sacrificing ways?

Liberty's Edge

Fatal and the people who wrote it have no redeeming qualities IMO. Sometimes people write something without realizing how offensive it can be. It's rare but it happens. The people who write the rpg. We're not only unapologetic. They even tried to defend the game.

As to those who decided to ignore my it others warnings about Fatal. You were warned. Ignore that at your peril.


I need to apologize to some of my friends parents. Over thirty years ago they gave reason for not wanting their kids to play D&D, and one of them was that after D&D became accepted, maybe a game would examine many more nasty, twisted things than demons and devils. Luckily they relented, but now......

It took them a while to be right, but FATAL proves their point.

Liberty's Edge

It's one rpg. It's not like D&D spawned a horde of fatal clones. So I see no reason to apologize to those parents IMO. I bad rpg does not a hobby ruin IMO.


There are other offensive games out there, but most of those are jokes, satire, or parody. And most of those are actually funny. (e.g. Macho Women With Guns; or HOL: Human Occupied Landfill; or the aforementioned Kill Puppies For Satan)

I really do think that F.A.T.A.L. was a serious attempt to write a serious game that incorporated sex into gameplay. Unfortunately, the game comes off as being written by a misogynist, pedantic math savant with an inflated ego and a much shallower understanding of history and philosophy than he realized, whose real-life experience with sex was limited to watching a lot of violent pornography.

(I've [thankfully] not met him personally, so I don't know if any of that is true of Mr. Byron Hall. However, that's the persona he projects through this book.)


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It took them a while to be right, but FATAL proves their point.

Not really. RPGs aren't some kind of slippery slope that inevitably leads to FATAL or RaHoWa any more than the invention of language is a slippery slope that leads to angsty teen poetry.


Scary game mechanics for rape, plus lines like "purple lake of desolation" man, the English language is not going anywhere good fast...

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