Aydin D'Ampfer |
1 person marked this as FAQ candidate. |
Related to the bolded section: is this supposed to mean when determining what you can pin? Because there is currently not a size limit on what can be grappled. If the ability is as written, it does basically nothing.
Aydin D'Ampfer |
There's no size requirement for pinning either. On it's own, it does nothing.
You are 100% right. I had been told you could not pin a larger body, but there is no RAW for that. Must have been a GM thing.
So, a part of a class ability which does nothing. Interesting, and FAQ worthy, in my mind.
Jeff Merola |
Even then, going up in size (based on Enlarge Person) gives you +2 STR, -2 DEX, and -2 AC, which equates out to -1 to CMD. Which seems even worse than aweful.
This is definitely FAQ worthy.
Erm, no. First, Enlarge Person's only indicative of what Enlarge Person does. Increasing one size category changes your stats differently depending on how you're doing it. Second, if what the ability did was make you count as one size larger for CMB/D for grappling all you'd change is +1 CMB and CMD, nothing else, as that's all going up one size actually does for them (the -1 AC from being bigger does not apply as a penalty to CMD).
Third, I'm pretty sure that part of the ability actually does nothing, and was written by someone who thought there was a size limit on grappling (there was a limit in 3.5).
baradakas |
You seem to be quoting an incorrect or out-dated source. The current PDF (mine is dated 8/13) and the PRD for Brutal Pugilist do not have that wording.
Improved Savage Grapple (Ex): At 5th level, the brutal pugilist takes no penalties to Dexterity, attack rolls, and combat maneuver checks when she has the grappled condition. She also is treated as one size larger than her actual size when determining whether she can be grappled using the grab ability or swallowed by another creature. This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.
(Feral was on the right path in his guess about the intent of the rule.)
Aydin D'Ampfer |
Aydin D'Ampfer wrote:Even then, going up in size (based on Enlarge Person) gives you +2 STR, -2 DEX, and -2 AC, which equates out to -1 to CMD. Which seems even worse than aweful.
This is definitely FAQ worthy.
Erm, no. First, Enlarge Person's only indicative of what Enlarge Person does. Increasing one size category changes your stats differently depending on how you're doing it. Second, if what the ability did was make you count as one size larger for CMB/D for grappling all you'd change is +1 CMB and CMD, nothing else, as that's all going up one size actually does for them (the -1 AC from being bigger does not apply as a penalty to CMD).
Third, I'm pretty sure that part of the ability actually does nothing, and was written by someone who thought there was a size limit on grappling (there was a limit in 3.5).
True, so it may just add +1 to CMD. This is unclear, though.
Also, the wording I have is older, so the changes must have been made to make it actually do something.