I'm making this gimmicky Half-Elf barbarian using the Hurler Archtype with Throw Anything, and I initially figured that I'd have her get Ancestral Arms "Bastard Sword" so she can move into position and hurl her BFS at any unfortunate mook, since throwing two-handed weapons is a full round action. However the Drow Magic Racial trait looked interesting, but required that I sacrifice my Adaptability racial trait, which is what I replaced for Ancestral Arms.
THAT BEING SAID! The Bastard Sword is technically a one-handed exotic weapon, but can be used as a marital weapon with two-hands. But that doesn't mean it is a two-handed weapon, does it? So with Throw Anything which allows me to throw anything as an improvised weapon (Last time I check Bastard Swords aren't made for throwing), could I still throw a Bastard Sword without taking any exotic weapon penalties or counting it as a two-handed weapon as long as all I'm using it for is throwing?
To the best that I know yes. But wouldn't you want to toss two if you took the feat
I think I need another feat to throw two weapons at once. I had a similar question when I was using a two-weapon fighter wanting to know if I could throw two-chakrams as a full round action, but apparently rules state that when you're throwing a weapon you can only throw one thing at a time.
That being said I am carrying two bastard swords: one to throw and the other one for melee two-handed.
Fist2Jaw wrote: I think I need another feat to throw two weapons at once. I had a similar question when I was using a two-weapon fighter wanting to know if I could throw two-chakrams as a full round action, but apparently rules state that when you're throwing a weapon you can only throw one thing at a time.
That being said I am carrying two bastard swords: one to throw and the other one for melee two-handed.
What exactly do you mean by throwing "one at a time"? If you have a chakram in each hand, and you have at least BAB+6, you can throw both Charkam, one as your BAB+6 iterative and the other as your BAB+1. You could also use TWF rules to throw one as an off-hand attack, though you take attack penalties in doing so. It's only if you have 3 or more iterative attacks that you'd have problems, unless you have Quick Draw or you're using thrown weapons that can normally be drawn as free actions (ie. Shuriken).
That having been said, if you have EWP for it, then you can throw a Bastard Sword in one hand, and subsequently make your attacks with the other in two hands. This does not count as two-weapon fighting so you don't even take attack penalties.
Kazaan wrote:
What exactly do you mean by throwing "one at a time"? If you have a chakram in each hand, and you have at least BAB+6, you can throw both Charkam, one as your BAB+6 iterative and the other as your BAB+1. You could also use TWF rules to throw one as an off-hand attack, though you take attack penalties in doing so. It's only if you have 3 or more iterative attacks that you'd have problems, unless you have Quick Draw or you're using thrown weapons that can normally be drawn as free actions (ie. Shuriken).
That having been said, if you have EWP for it, then you can throw a Bastard Sword in one hand, and subsequently make your attacks with the other in two hands. This does not count as two-weapon fighting so you don't even take attack penalties. I mean when I was first running my two-weapon fighter I wanted to throw both my charkrams in a full around attack, but apparently that's not a thing I can do. Now maybe if I had multiple attacks thanks to a high BAB it's possible, but even with two-weapon fighting I can't throw two weapons at once. I think.
Well that's just the thing, I don't have the extra feat to get the Exotic Weapon Proficiency to use the Bastard Sword one-handed (I used my feat for Throw Anything, which is the only thing that's allowing me to even do something this silly). But that's only as a melee weapon I believe, and I wanted to know if that would be different if I simply throw it instead. Would the penalties still apply as an Exotic Weapon even if I'm not using it for a melee attack?
There's also the tactical parts I'm concerned about, as I can only throw a two-handed weapon in a full around action. But a Bastard Sword CAN be used as a one-handed weapon, granted it needs a EWP for it to be used effectively as a one-handed melee weapon. But regardless it's a one-handed weapon as far as the RAW goes.
Without EWP a bastard sword counts as a two-handed weapon and would follow the rules for throwing two-handed weapons.
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Fist2Jaw wrote: Kazaan wrote:
What exactly do you mean by throwing "one at a time"? If you have a chakram in each hand, and you have at least BAB+6, you can throw both Charkam, one as your BAB+6 iterative and the other as your BAB+1. You could also use TWF rules to throw one as an off-hand attack, though you take attack penalties in doing so. It's only if you have 3 or more iterative attacks that you'd have problems, unless you have Quick Draw or you're using thrown weapons that can normally be drawn as free actions (ie. Shuriken).
That having been said, if you have EWP for it, then you can throw a Bastard Sword in one hand, and subsequently make your attacks with the other in two hands. This does not count as two-weapon fighting so you don't even take attack penalties. I mean when I was first running my two-weapon fighter I wanted to throw both my charkrams in a full around attack, but apparently that's not a thing I can do. Now maybe if I had multiple attacks thanks to a high BAB it's possible, but even with two-weapon fighting I can't throw two weapons at once. I think. Were you told this by a GM? Because if so, that GM was incorrect. There is absolutely no rule saying, neither explicitly nor implicitly, that you can't two-weapon fight with thrown weapons. The only hitch is that you need to already have the weapons in hand unless you have a way to draw them as a free action. Lets say, for the sake of example, you have BAB+4 and the TWF feat. Not enough BAB for an iterative attack, right? You have one Chakram in each hand. You declare two-weapon fighting. Now, you are not wielding a light weapon in your off-hand (some ranged weapons specify they count as light for TWF penalties, but the Chakram isn't one), so you suffer -4/-4 penalties due only to the TWF feat (without the feat, it'd be -6/-10). Next round, you'd either need to draw more ranged weapons (costs a move action typically) or draw a melee weapon for melee combat (ie. Charge the enemy while drawing your sword).
On reviewing the pertinent rules, I find the following:
PRD wrote: Under Weapons It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on the following weapon tables), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
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Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties for using an improvised ranged weapon. You receive a +1 circumstance bonus on attack rolls made with thrown splash weapons.
Technically, the -4 penalty to throwing a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown isn't a non-proficiency penalty. It isn't considered an improvised thrown weapon; just because the penalty happens to be the same value as the penalty imposed for improvised weapons doesn't make it an improvised weapon. To put it another way, lets say you wanted to throw a less complicated exotic weapon; say a Temple Sword. It isn't designed to be thrown, so you suffer -4 attack penalty if you try to throw it. If you also lack proficiency with Temple Swords, then you suffer an additional -4 attack penalty for non-proficiency. So Throw Anything doesn't work in these situations because you aren't even using an improvised weapon. If you were throwing a vase, that'd be different.
Also, to correct a previous statement I made, throwing a 1-h (or light) weapon that isn't meant to be thrown is defined as a standard action. So you couldn't throw two of them as a full-attack nor could you throw one and then take subsequent iterative attacks. This might be the source of the aforementioned confusion regarding Chakram. Remember that Chakram are ranged weapons by default so you aren't throwing a 1-h or light weapon; you are throwing a ranged weapon equivalent to any other thrown weapon. It just has a special rule defining how it may be used to fight in melee. Interesting side-note: Since the Chakram is a Ranged weapon, it is neither one-handed nor light so if you wield it as a melee weapon, it has no "handedness" designation. So you can't get reduced TWF penalties as it isn't light, you can't wield it in two hands for increased Str to damage or increased Power Attack ratio since it isn't a one-handed weapon.
Strangely enough, the penalty for improvised weapons, seems to be a non-proficiency penalty.
To quote the PRD:
PRD wrote: Improvised Weapons: Sometimes objects not crafted to be weapons nonetheless see use in combat. Because such objects are not designed for this use, any creature that uses an improvised weapon in combat is considered to be nonproficient with it and takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with that object. To determine the size category and appropriate damage for an improvised weapon, compare its relative size and damage potential to the weapon list to find a reasonable match. An improvised weapon scores a threat on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. An improvised thrown weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
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I just use my ring of telekinesis to throw great swords at my enemies. Generally ends up being more powerful and takes far less investment.
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