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My question arises from this:
A player of mine is claiming that since Surprise Follow-Through doesn't have Orc/Half-Orc listed in its prerequisite line, he can take it with any race despite the fact that it is listed under Racial Feats.
My question is whether this is valid or not. It clearly lists Orc/Half-Orc next to the feat name, despite it not being listed in the actual prerequisite section of the feat.
It does not have a racial requirement. It is listed in the half-orc section because of the skulking slayer (I think that's the name) archetype.
Resilient Brute
You absorb punishment others find deadly.
Prerequisite: Half-orc or orc.
Benefit: Once per day, when a creature confirms a critical hit against you, you may treat half the damage as nonlethal damage. You cannot use this ability if you are immune to nonlethal damage. When your base attack bonus reaches +10, you may use this ability an additional time per day.
Racial feat.
Surprise Follow-Through (Combat)
When striking one opponent, you catch its ally off guard.
Prerequisites: Str 13, Cleave, Power Attack, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: When using Cleave or Great Cleave, the second foe you attack on your turn is denied its Dexterity bonus against you.
Not a racial feat.
Surprise Follow-Through (Combat, Orc/Half-Orc)
Is actually how the feat is listed. Leaving off the second part in parenthesis certainly changes how it looks.
It shows up under the Racial Feat listing and the Combat Feat listing.
The Type/Category listing says Combat, Half-Orc, Orc next to it. If there was no requirement to be the race, then why would it be listed anywhere in the feat?
I posted this here because in the Ask James Jacobs thread, James Jacobs it seemed obvious to him that it was a requirement to take it, but that it was a good question to be FAQ'd here to clear it up.
I've never seen it listed as (Combat, Half-Orc, Orc) feat. What I posted was copied straight out of the PRD. It's not listed like that in my book. Where are you getting that listing?
It's not listed as a requirement for Improved Surprise Follow-Through either.
Improved Surprise Follow-Through (Combat)
You follow up an attack with a surprising series of sweeping blows.
Prerequisites: Str 13, Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Surprise Follow Through, base attack bonus +8.
Benefit: When using Great Cleave, each opponent you attack on your turn (other than the first) is denied his Dexterity bonus against you.
So it doesn't seem like it was accidentally left off.
I've never seen it listed as (Combat, Half-Orc, Orc) feat. What I posted was copied straight out of the PRD. It's not listed like that in my book. Where are you getting that listing?
That's the way it is listed at d20pfsrd.com which, of course, is not in any way an official source. The mention of the Racial Feat Listing was the giveaway, since Racial isn't an actual feat category.
Correct, I was getting it from the d20pfsrd site. I apologize for posting from the unofficial site. After checking the PRD I found the feat listed as strictly a combat feat. However, on the first page of the Core Races section I also found this:
New Racial Rules
The final section of each race entry provides new rules options for the race other than archetypes. The new racial rules are split up into four sections, each described below.Equipment: The equipment section for each race provides new rules for standard and alchemical equipment available to the race. Often such equipment is available on the open market and members of other races can purchase it, but many times, especially in the case of alchemical equipment, it has no effect, lesser effects, or even detrimental effects on members of other races.
Feats: This section provides new racial feats for members of this race. These feats often play off a particular theme of the race and in many cases expand or empower racial traits of that race. All of these feats have the race in their prerequisites, so members of other races cannot take them.
Magic Items: Magic items provided in this section are often created and used exclusively by members of the race. Some have effects that interact with racial traits, but others have broader uses, and can be used by members of other races.
Spells: The spells in this section are common to spellcasting members of the race. Sometimes they only target members of the race, but often they are just the race's well guarded secrets; members of other races can learn to cast them with GM permission.
And then on the Half-Orc section
New Racial Rules
The following options are available to half-orcs. At the GM's discretion, other appropriate races may also make use of some of these.
Half-Orc Feats
Half-orcs and orcs have access to the following feats.
So, while it isn't listed as a prerequisite in the entry it specifically says in the book that the feats listed are intended to be only for that race unless the GM is willing to let them use it.
Why do you think the half-orc/orc requirement was listed in every other feat except these two?