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Anybody remember the time people found out that Chik-Fil-A donated money to groups that advocated for the execution of homosexuals and then social media caused a huge boycott that drove them out of business?
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It's been brought up numerous times, but why is it not okay to discriminate against someone of a different skin colour, but okay to do the same on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identification?Being refused service would hurt, I imagine.Do we need to form the "Emotion Police" for people's feelings now? We're all adults here. If a restaurant is an asshat to you then go to a different restaurant. It's call customer satisfaction and if you're not satisfied then you have the freedom to complain or go elsewhere. How is this so hard to understand?
Take as much time on this question as you need, Kysune, I'm very interested in seeing what you come up with. I can only think of one logical answer that justifies such a position, and it's not one you want to say out loud...
What's wrong with phoenix, exactly?We don't have winter. Ever.
I dunno, it was high 30s when I was there over xmas. Kinda chilly.
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Come on Yuugasa, don't you get the Progressive Conspiracy Weekly like the rest of us evil folks?
The reptile people are stealing my mail. :(
so uh guys
guys what if like
I had to marry my cow because of the gays
yeah, you didn't even think of that did you? I just blew your MINDS.
I think /thread seems appropriate here!
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So here's my proposed solution.
If you're part of a discriminated class, and a "private" business refuses you service, you should be able to get a refund on all taxes that go to fund that business, and its owner's services (post, road, police, fire/rescue, etc).
Of course, this will mean that the taxes will go up for everyone else, to make up the revenue. And since you can't tell if someone is gay by looking at them then, realistically, anyone could be discriminated against.
So, therefore, everyone EXCEPT these businesses should get a tax break, and the businesses should see a commensurate tax increase.
We can call it a Bigot Tax.
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I'd advocate Detroit as a relatively centrally-located city that could likely make sure it had the requisite hotel/convention by the time the move happened and could use the money from the convention.
Except I'm sure they'll pass a similar law in Michigan very shortly.
As a prisoner citizen of Michigan, yes, I believe one is on the way. :(
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In response to earlier comments about how this law won't affect critical things like receiving health care, this:
No, this isn't the super-secret-squirrel assessment delineating in detail how the law will force hospitals to leave gay people to die in dark corners of waiting rooms just because they are gay. But maybe, just maybe, the certainty that some people have that this law will have "no effect" on critical services is a just a bit premature...
Anybody remember the time people found out that Chik-Fil-A donated money to groups that advocated for the execution of homosexuals and then social media caused a huge boycott that drove them out of business?And this plus your nonsense question about bigots outnumbering the oppressed means what? That the idea of fighting such evil is nonsense? That every oppressed minority should just roll over and take it, because it won't change, and they are in the wrong anyway because they are a minority, and majority makes right?
There are some folks in Fergueson, Selma, and Stonewall who beg to disagree.
I think he was saying that in response to the claim that bigoted businesses would simply be driven out of business so the law doesn't matter.
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Uh yeah, that's what I got out of it too. Looked to be akin to sarc. Same team Farva, same team!
I think he was saying that in response to the claim that bigoted businesses would simply be driven out of business so the law doesn't matter.Anybody remember the time people found out that Chik-Fil-A donated money to groups that advocated for the execution of homosexuals and then social media caused a huge boycott that drove them out of business?And this plus your nonsense question about bigots outnumbering the oppressed means what? That the idea of fighting such evil is nonsense? That every oppressed minority should just roll over and take it, because it won't change, and they are in the wrong anyway because they are a minority, and majority makes right?
There are some folks in Fergueson, Selma, and Stonewall who beg to disagree.
That's how I read it as well, Yuugasa. If the bigots sufficiently outnumber the oppressed (with the unspoken assumption that everyone else is indifferent), then boycotts alone will never be enough to effect real change.
Okay, I deserved that.
What if, and now this is a stretch mind you, the bigots out number the oppressed?Then the idea of this country being "exceptional" in it's pursuit of liberty and equality has been proven a lie.
Balderdash. It is exceptional.
Exceptionally bad.
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Anybody remember the time people found out that Chik-Fil-A donated money to groups that advocated for the execution of homosexuals and then social media caused a huge boycott that drove them out of business?And this plus your nonsense question about bigots outnumbering the oppressed means what? That the idea of fighting such evil is nonsense? That every oppressed minority should just roll over and take it, because it won't change, and they are in the wrong anyway because they are a minority, and majority makes right?
There are some folks in Fergueson, Selma, and Stonewall who beg to disagree.
Have you read any of my other posts in this thread?
Anybody remember the time people found out that Chik-Fil-A donated money to groups that advocated for the execution of homosexuals and then social media caused a huge boycott that drove them out of business?And this plus your nonsense question about bigots outnumbering the oppressed means what? That the idea of fighting such evil is nonsense? That every oppressed minority should just roll over and take it, because it won't change, and they are in the wrong anyway because they are a minority, and majority makes right?
There are some folks in Fergueson, Selma, and Stonewall who beg to disagree.
I believe he's saying that the free market solutions to bigotry don't work, and are evidenced not to work, so the libertarian hypothesis that the free market will take care of it is bunk, because evidence > ideals.
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If you treat the situation as a game, like mass iterative Prisoner's Dilemma, where there are two groups, systematic discrimination can be stable. If members of group A always defect against group B and usually cooperate with other As, and Bs always defect against group A and usually cooperate with Bs, anyone who tries to change things will do worse than the players who discriminate, because most of the time if a liberal A tries to cooperate with a B, the B defects and he loses.
Of course in real life the As can look at you trying to cooperate with Bs and decide you're a B-lover and burn your store down.
There are two main differences between racial discrimination and discrimination based on sexual orientation. First, it's harder to tell what sexual orientation a person is by looking at them. Second, and this is the main reason progress has happened so fast on this front and so slowly on race, sometimes a homophobic family has a gay child and has to deal with it, whereas it's pretty rare for a racist family to have a black child.
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This is a slippery slope.
Being either for or against this bill places you at odds with one freedom or another. I support gay marriage, but I also support the right of business owners to refuse service to whomever they so choose, after all..its their business. That being said, I also support Gen Con's right to find a new venue to express their own views as an organization. This is America. This country was founded on the principles of freedom, specifically for freedom of religion which is likely the biggest reason for the bias against the gay community in most cases.
I personally feel that Jesus wouldn't discriminate against anyone. If Sir Elton John came into his Carpentry/Flip Flop Emporium I think he would help him pick our some new footwear and a kitchen table. Just my 2 cents.
On that note, Asheville NC would be a fantastic location. Good food, a huge number of breweries, and enough goes on in Seattle that its time for a little love for your East Coast gamers.