Can we get errata on the Tangleshot arrow?

[Matthew Morris]

Ok, disclaimer: I love entangling things. It's my favourite condition, like chicken, it goes with just about everything.

That said, the tangleshot arrow is broken.

Alchemy Manual wrote:

This effect is similar to that of a tanglefoot

bag, but with the following adjustments: Reflex DC 10, Strength
DC 12 to break, 10 points of slashing damage to cut through,
concentration DC 10 to cast spells.

The errata needs to address the *size* of the shooter. Right now a pixie, a lyrakin/imp/quasit and an awakened spider monkey can fire an arrow that can entangle an ogre.

On the other end, a Rune Giant's tanglefoot arrow cannot entangle a Storm Giant or any other huge creature.

I think, since the language for Tanglefoot Bags reads "Huge or larger creatures are unaffected by a tanglefoot bag." (based on a medium bag) the arrow should have added "A tangleshot arrow has no effect on creatures more than one size category larger than the shooter."

So no more Lyrakin familiars shooting and entangling bone devils. :-)

[Night_Shade]

I think the first line that states "similar to that of a tanglefoot bag" would mean that it would work as you mentined.

[Seraphimpunk]

it would work , as it stands, for a small or medium creature shooting a tangleshot arrow at a "huge or larger creature" as being ineffective.

but the arrow takes an alchemical item that doesn't change size, and applies it to arrows which do depend on the size of a creature to deal damage. but instead of dealing damage, they entangle ( and though its easier to break free: it doesn't reduce the duration of the entangle effect ).

the writer probably never thought of tiny creatures using tiny tangleshot arrows against large creatures, or medium ones apparently.